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I guess there'd have to be certified editors, which would be trusted to allow only "safe" operations on images (crop, white balance, levels, etc) and would sign

I guess there'd have to be certified editors, which would be trusted to allow only "safe" operations on images (crop, white balance, levels, etc) and would sign the resulting jpegs themselves alongside the signature from the camera. It doesn't really seem likely at all to work in practice.

spywaregorilla 5y ago
I want to see an ai that changes picture A to picture B by abusing rounding errors in white balance and levels adjustments.
- godelski 5y ago
  It isn't exactly what you're looking for, but along the same vein are things called diffusion models.[0] [0] https://lilianweng.github.io/lil-log/2021/07/11/diffusion-models.html https://lilianweng.github.io/lil-log/2021/07/11/diffusion-mo...
- roywiggins 5y ago
  I think the solution is for the editor to have a hard limit on how many edits it will apply to one image. You'd need to write into the output file how many edits had been performed before signing it and then refuse to process the edited image any further if it's too high. Any scheme like this would be eventually broken somehow, so it's altogether a bad idea imho
godelski 5y ago
Editors include deep fake technology now. Removing people from a scene has been a common technique for a long time and generative models just have made this easier (e.g. usage: you want the background/scenery but it is a well traveled tourist destination so you can't get a photo without people in it.[0]) [0] Normally you accomplish this by taking several photos and combining them
- roywiggins 5y ago
  Sure, you'd have to have a "safe mode" or something for Photoshop that would lock you out of almost everything that could be used to alter the semantic meaning of an image. Edits made in that mode would be considered "safe" and Photoshop would be trusted to sign the resulting jpegs. Like I said, I don't think it's practical...

spywaregorilla 5y ago

I want to see an ai that changes picture A to picture B by abusing rounding errors in white balance and levels adjustments.

godelski 5y ago
It isn't exactly what you're looking for, but along the same vein are things called diffusion models.[0] [0] https://lilianweng.github.io/lil-log/2021/07/11/diffusion-models.html https://lilianweng.github.io/lil-log/2021/07/11/diffusion-mo...
roywiggins 5y ago
I think the solution is for the editor to have a hard limit on how many edits it will apply to one image. You'd need to write into the output file how many edits had been performed before signing it and then refuse to process the edited image any further if it's too high. Any scheme like this would be eventually broken somehow, so it's altogether a bad idea imho

godelski 5y ago

Editors include deep fake technology now. Removing people from a scene has been a common technique for a long time and generative models just have made this easier (e.g. usage: you want the background/scenery but it is a well traveled tourist destination so you can't get a photo without people in it.[0]) [0] Normally you accomplish this by taking several photos and combining them

roywiggins 5y ago
Sure, you'd have to have a "safe mode" or something for Photoshop that would lock you out of almost everything that could be used to alter the semantic meaning of an image. Edits made in that mode would be considered "safe" and Photoshop would be trusted to sign the resulting jpegs. Like I said, I don't think it's practical...