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Interesting thought but Apple never gives choice on much (well except Safari UI now!), and I don't see them giving an explicit choice on this. If they really ha
by cwizou 5y ago
Interesting thought but Apple never gives choice on much (well except Safari UI now!), and I don't see them giving an explicit choice on this. If they really had for a goal to implement E2EE, I could maybe see this now that you are mentioning it.
However if I had to make a guess, they'll go server-side scanning only, and E2EE backups/Photos will never happen.
To me it's a pipe dream to believe they would offer E2EE, there's too much international pressure from governments around the world to keep iCloud backups open and going E2EE would trigger unpalatable retaliations.
- rjvir 5y agoI think it's plausible that they'd offer E2EE for all of iCloud. They already do it for iMessage, and it makes it easier to turn down subpoenas if they can credibly claim that they can't even access the data themselves. Likewise, offering an explicit choice also seems plausible. The full E2EE flow might have UX downsides (for example, the user might need to write down a recovery seed phrase on paper), so they might not force all users into that flow.
- cwizou 5y agoBut that's the thing, they have reached a compromise regarding iMessage being "E2EE" by keeping all those avenues (iCloud backups and iMessage on iCloud) that essentially trade E2EE for the convenience. Most users opt-in to the convenience for iMessage making it, for all purposes, no longer E2EE. I don't see them removing that precisely because of iMessage.
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