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Sad truth is that nobody cares. Not the users, not the makers. It would take a minuscule fraction of Microsoft's resources to fix this, especially when they are

Sad truth is that nobody cares. Not the users, not the makers. It would take a minuscule fraction of Microsoft's resources to fix this, especially when they are anyway making a new OS. But other considerations take precedence, since nobody really cares if textboxes look alike.

pjmlp 5y ago
Check WinUI Github repository 2000 issues and mounting, do the same for other UI stacks, not sure where those resources would come from. They even had to restaff Forms and WPF teams, because with UWP they were reallocated to something else.
crocoduck 5y ago
They don't care because they have no taste, it's sad that the dominant personal computing platform is utterly tasteless (from a design and technical perspective).
AlexandrB 5y ago
For me, this is a blessing in disguise. Modern UI design is to pad everything out with reams of whitespace, hide elements that no longer fit behind a "...", then remove any affordances in the name of "cleanliness". At least some parts of windows reflect a more sane design language from an older era.
whywhywhywhy 5y ago
>It would take a minuscule fraction of Microsoft's resources to fix this This isn't true, almost each thing would require at least a UI rewrite to get them up to consistency or you'd just have a task of trying to hack the ten or so UI frameworks to look the same but they wouldn't act or feel the same. I don't think it's impossible but you need a product focused exec who cares enough about it to basically demand a few of the apps or panels be rewritten each version and keep sending it back until it looks right. Has to come from the top because a designer going around and trying to get them to rewrite say Device Manager to make it feel up to date and stop flickering isn't ever going to convince anyone. Of course every step of the way reviewers and your own community are going to be shouting at you for changing 20 year old UIs. It'll be a thankless task until 10 years after it's done when they come to terms with the change and realize they finally have a consistent Windows.
- WorldMaker 5y ago
  Also Microsoft doesn't have anywhere near enough resources to rebuild three decades of Windows software and they have made it a strong point that they don't want to break compatibility with applications built 20/30 years ago. Even changing the sizes of controls by a single pixel to old controls can sometimes cause bugs and compatibility nightmares Microsoft can't test for nor easily fix.

pjmlp 5y ago

Check WinUI Github repository 2000 issues and mounting, do the same for other UI stacks, not sure where those resources would come from. They even had to restaff Forms and WPF teams, because with UWP they were reallocated to something else.

crocoduck 5y ago

They don't care because they have no taste, it's sad that the dominant personal computing platform is utterly tasteless (from a design and technical perspective).

AlexandrB 5y ago

For me, this is a blessing in disguise. Modern UI design is to pad everything out with reams of whitespace, hide elements that no longer fit behind a "...", then remove any affordances in the name of "cleanliness". At least some parts of windows reflect a more sane design language from an older era.

whywhywhywhy 5y ago

>It would take a minuscule fraction of Microsoft's resources to fix this This isn't true, almost each thing would require at least a UI rewrite to get them up to consistency or you'd just have a task of trying to hack the ten or so UI frameworks to look the same but they wouldn't act or feel the same. I don't think it's impossible but you need a product focused exec who cares enough about it to basically demand a few of the apps or panels be rewritten each version and keep sending it back until it looks right. Has to come from the top because a designer going around and trying to get them to rewrite say Device Manager to make it feel up to date and stop flickering isn't ever going to convince anyone. Of course every step of the way reviewers and your own community are going to be shouting at you for changing 20 year old UIs. It'll be a thankless task until 10 years after it's done when they come to terms with the change and realize they finally have a consistent Windows.

WorldMaker 5y ago
Also Microsoft doesn't have anywhere near enough resources to rebuild three decades of Windows software and they have made it a strong point that they don't want to break compatibility with applications built 20/30 years ago. Even changing the sizes of controls by a single pixel to old controls can sometimes cause bugs and compatibility nightmares Microsoft can't test for nor easily fix.