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Some of the comments are assuming that all those who smoke pot are irresponsible or unable to do a job if they do smoke pot (this includes people who may only s
by jack_riminton 5y ago
Some of the comments are assuming that all those who smoke pot are irresponsible or unable to do a job if they do smoke pot (this includes people who may only smoke at weekends/parties btw)
- oxymoran 5y agoAnd also clearly have never been high enough to realize that they are more likely to be super paranoid and going 10 miles under the speed limit than driving through a fence or running over children. It’s not at all comparable to being drunk.
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoYour comment is an equally bad generalization. It's easy to get distracted and then focus on that distraction while high. That's not conducive to safe driving. We don't want people mindlessly blowing through an intersection because they were fixating on how the wind was making the tarp on the truck in front of them flutter.
- JshWright 5y agoDriving high is still driving impaired. The failure modes may be different, but that doesn't mean someone who is high is safe to drive. I'm not sure what the point of your comment is though, as I don't think anyone is suggesting that these drivers will actually be high while driving. Rather, they are people that use marijuana recreationally and would test positive for THC, disqualifying them from many jobs (despite the fact that urine THC levels do not corelate with how "high" someone is).
- wordsarelies 5y agoDriving high is like driving as a grandma. You're hyper vigilant, looking everywhere, your reactions are delayed a little such as that of an 60 year old person, and you're definitely listening to speed "limit" as the maximum, and not as the average.
- batch12 5y agoWhen high, you are impaired and shouldn't be driving. Period.
- crazy_horse 5y agoI don't disagree but being high is not a singular, impaired state.
- junon 5y agoNone of the states I've ever been, over the thousands of times I have partaken, with the maybe hundred different strains, with different percentages of indica/sativa, at different dosages, in different forms (flower vs. edible vs. whatever else), have ever been safe for me to operate a vehicle. No, nobody is an exception. You are not superhuman. Please stop normalizing this. This narrative makes it harder to change the minds of dissenters and legitimize legalization for those people that actually benefit from it.
- crazy_horse 5y agoSorry, I don't agree. I don't think cannabis is just a drug for having fun. I'm open to scientific studies that show that car accidents increase but your experience is yours and mine is mine. The people who have a problem with it aren't going to be able to stop legalization. You shouldn't do it, I agree.
- junon 5y ago> I don't think cannabis is just a drug for having fun Where did I even allude to this? In fact I implied the exact opposite in my last sentence.
- crazy_horse 5y agoCannabis does and will have medicinal uses. The laws and and the mindset about it are going to vastly change. Delta-8 and all the other numbers are already legal in illegal states.
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- hughrr 5y agoThat’s bullshit. Someone rolled their car into my front garden at 70+ mph in a 30 mph limit on it. The only good thing was it was at 3AM so there was no one around on a normally busy street to get wiped out. And your whole attitude of irrational justification of it says you’re probably not capable of making a rational judgement about whether or not you should drive.
- eurasiantiger 5y agoAnecdote is not data.
- hughrr 5y agoThat’s also bullshit. This went into the stats here. Thus is data.
- haswell 5y agoSince when is asking for data considered bullshit? So far, you’ve only provided anecdotes. I assume you know what the parent comment meant when talking about “data”. Don’t get me wrong - no one should drive while impaired, period. But offering anecdotes in lieu of data is generally not helpful.
- quickthrowman 5y agoIt was 3 AM, they were drunk
- hughrr 5y agoNo they weren’t. Apologists everywhere.
- bserge 5y agoNo, please. I've seen high driving first hand several times. Once after the guy literally told me "it doesn't affect me at all". Proceeded to drive over the kerb and get into the wrong lane. It is very comparable to being drunk. Some people can in fact handle it, many cannot and severely overestimate their abilities.
- fhood 5y agotbf it's possible he was just a crap driver. Either way, while I would never recommend it, I think it is misleading to call it "very comparable". Anecdotally I would say that cannabis impairs quick decision making, and reaction time while driving, and possibly also makes the driver more prone to distraction but I am less sure about that one. Alcohol does both of the first two things, and to a much greater extent, while also obliterating fine motor control, as well as impacting judgement and perception of speed among other things. So in my completely anecdotal opinion, weed bad, alcohol worse were driving is concerned.
- eurasiantiger 5y agoDecades of exposure to intentionally misleading propaganda is difficult to ignore. It becomes a part of the worldview, making it hard to even think outside that box.
- jack_riminton 5y agoTrue. Once things become 'cultural facts' they're hard to change. Another is explaining remote work to older generations, a lot of them just can't equate it to 'real work'
- nuclearnice1 5y agoOne more is explaining age discrimination to youngsters. Especially over the damn zoom time video since they don’t show up for work.
- mazamats 5y agoAge discrimination goes both ways, it’s not just 40+ workers that experience it
- nuclearnice1 5y agoI agree.
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- ctvo 5y agoYou're on a tech focus site here. Age discrimination almost certainly goes one way in these cases. That's if you're above 40, and looking to join an early stage start-up, you'll find you're often not a culture fit.
- JoeAltmaier 5y agoTrue. But some part of that propaganda is from pot smokers themselves. Some enjoy the image of the laid-back happy carefree pothead. Their cult leaders (used to be) Cheech and Chong. Maybe they've just bought in to someone elses' worldview. But I don't think so.
- tyingq 5y agoWe don't regulate alcohol use, and it's quite a lot more destructive for some. I don't get the specific puritanism for pot. Edit: Regulate as in drug testing for past use in an employment context, like what the story is talking about.
- throwaway0a5e 5y ago>We don't regulate alcohol use, Yes we do. And it's a cash cow for the government so we're unlikely to stop anytime soon.
- jack_riminton 5y agoWhich country are you in? Alcohol is one of the most highly regulated substances on the planet. Also, no puritanism here, just facts about how people can use pot and remain completely in control (again, worth pointing out that someone can fail a pot drug test if they smoked it weeks ago)
- tyingq 5y agoMeaning most people can drink alcohol without fear of being tested for past use in a work context. We don't regulate it in the workplace the way we regulate pot use.
- JoeAltmaier 5y agoI dunno. Background checks include DUIs.
- selestify 5y agoYou don't get a DUI just for being drunk on the couch on the weekend, you have to also be operating a vehicle while drunk. Which is what the parent comment was talking about -- it's not regulated in the same way that pot usage is.
- quickthrowman 5y agoEvery alcohol consumer has a DUI? Maybe in Wisconsin, but not in general
- samstave 5y agoSome of the smartest people I have worked with smoked pot daily and before work. one is a head of engineering at netflix, another a head of IT at a big firm... some of the highest performers I have ever worked with, and pot was a daily for them.
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- abledon 5y agoi think for a small % pot will have a positive impact, but in general there is a reason it is considered a recreational drug. If you put 1000 linux kernel developers in a stadium, do they do better work sober, or if the stadium is hotboxed with some exotic kush. (maybe 5%, 10% see gains... but does the majority receive buffs to their concentration, analytical skills and memory?) Maybe the question has a different outcome if you're measuring a stadium full of Designers with Adobe Illustrator open, trying to brainstorm how a logo looks?
- bjourne 5y agoAnd many top politicians, business executives, authors, producers, and musicians were alcoholics. Your claim of having met high performing pot smokers is meaningless.
- hughrr 5y agoA larger portion of them are from experience of hiring and being around people who smoke it. I would not employ someone who does because of those people. I have horror stories a mile long. I know this is unpopular on internet news sites but I assure you that your social reputation isn’t that great if you smoke the stuff generally and that’s not going to change because of the propensity of people to be unreliable or dicks. The only thing that’s faulty is your perception of it.
- eurasiantiger 5y agoHmm. This is a tough one. Do you think those people come off unreliable because they use cannabis, or would it be more likely that they, for example, suffer from a(n undiagnosed) medical condition such as PTSD or ADHD, which tend to make them a bit unreliable at times, but which cannabis treats so that the person is in fact more reliable when constantly high?
- hughrr 5y agoI knew some of them before they started using it. It’s almost entirely the cannabis. Including the dude now in psychiatric care after it kicked his schizophrenia hard. Everyone was promoted it as harmless. It’s not. I’m seeing lives wrecked. And yes I know alcohol is bad. But I see less long term damage from that as most people seem to grow out of alcoholism I have know. Cannabis not so much - it becomes the primary thing they live for and around. All conversation ends up on it.
- eurasiantiger 5y agoI think your viewpoint might be biased — do you know any people who haven’t had their lives wrecked because of cannabis? Is cannabis legal where you live? Criminality causes stress and paranoia. Are you living in a heavily Christian environment? Asking because in heavily religious environments, schizophrenia with religious illusions often occurs as a result of internal conflict between sin-programming and self-perception. Is cannabis socially accepted or are people forced to choose between cannabis and other people? Social exclusion has in some studies been ranked more stressful than getting raped, so some sort of social PTSD can be expected to develop in these kind of environments to those who get excluded.
- hellbannedguy 5y agoPersonally, I can't smoke pot. I get very nervous, and can't wait until it's out of my system. But I have worked with many frequent users who smoked daily, and their job. They didn't mind doing terrible jobs. I'm suprised people arn't talking about habitual pot smokers vs. occasional. If used to smoking--it's no big deal. Same with alcohol. An alcoholic can drive perfectly well at .08, or a bit higher. An occasional drinker probally shouldn't be drinking and driving. I heard TX takes into account tolerance when prosecuting DUI's.
- chmod600 5y agoThis is an interesting subject. Most people would be pretty worried about a drunk 747 pilot, and want laws and policies to prevent that from happening. A high delivery driver -- better, but a lot of people still don't like that idea. But tired commuters on the road at 6:30am is acceptable. Could be better informed by numbers here. But hard to say because there aren't reliable tests for "high right now", and maybe not for "tired" either.
- filoeleven 5y agoImpairment testing was talked about 10-15 years ago. It never really caught on. https://www.industryweek.com/the-economy/public-policy/article/21934673/impairment-tests-as-a-drugscreen-alternative https://www.industryweek.com/the-economy/public-policy/artic...