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Only for people who have inferior electrics. People not suffering from that problem are happy with induction heating, and deem that superior in every aspect. (

Only for people who have inferior electrics. People not suffering from that problem are happy with induction heating, and deem that superior in every aspect. (Given appropriate cooking ware)

fy20 5y ago
Be careful. After vaccines, politics and working from home vs the office, this is probably the next most controversial topic on HN.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  Be that as it may, I'm prepared to deflect any flame with my antistick pans and lashing out with my silicone cookware, whipping any opponent hard! Yah! I do! :-)
mikewarot 5y ago
My gas stove and my 100 amp 240 volt service are about matched in terms of power capability. To switch, I'd have to spend thousands of dollars on an electrician to upgrade to 200 amp service, and wire a new outlet. Then buy a new electric appliance, dispose of the gas stove. In the end it would cost more per BTU, and nothing would have changed to help mother earth. Or, I could stick with my used $100 gas stove. This puts less carbon into the atmosphere then burning fuel in a power plant and losing a bunch of energy heating the grid, and doesn't create any new landfill.
- matthewdgreen 5y ago
  On an individual basis that may be true. But the real issue here is whether to maintain and continue to build new (potentially leaky) gas networks to housing. By replacing your stove with an electric one (only after it wears out) you’d be slightly reducing the pressure and incentive the pressure on municipalities and utilities.
  - mikewarot 5y ago
    I still need gas for the water heater, the furnace and the clothes dryer. Otherwise we're back to looking at 200 Amp service again, and if everyone did it, doubling the size of the grid, and building even more fossil fueled generating stations to make up for the new electric load.
    - josephcsible 5y ago
      So what? Aren't electric heat pumps powered by natural gas power plants better for the environment than natural gas furnaces?
      - mikewarot 5y ago
        Not in the Midwest, when it often goes well below freezing, and usually as low as -40 degrees at least once per winter.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  I'm not denying that. I've just been irritated by the OP saying sensationalist things which are simply untrue. Like being faster, more powerful, more precisely controllable, big improvement in quality of life, and so on. Maybe it was for him, coming from where he was, but not as an absolute. Probably even the most simple thing like https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tragbar-1-zone-weiss-10486794/ https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tra... would be an improvement.
  - mikewarot 5y ago
    Gas is MUCH faster, at least 4 times faster to get water up to boiling, if not more. You can directly see the flame, and know how much heat you're putting into something, almost instantly. The feedback cycle on electric cooking is a lot slower and more error prone. With an electric burner, I can't even get a large pot of water to a rapid boil, ever. I can get it up to temperature in about an hour. Electric cooking sucks compared to gas.
    - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
      Are you sure we are speaking about the same things when saying 'electric'? I've been referring to these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooking Have you ever worked with one, or seen one 'in action' while visiting someone/where? I'd guess not.
      - mikewarot 5y ago
        Mine was a bit smaller, plugged into a 15 amp circuit. I hated that wimpy thing, but it was all I had.
        LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Are we really talking about the same thing? Did your's get hot, heating the pot or pan that way, OR did it stay cold, and heat only the pot/pan inductively via magical magnetics!1!!, which means a piece of paper would not even begin to burn if you'd put it between pot and 'cooking field' when for instance boiling water, making scrambled eggs, or something like that?
washadjeffmad 5y ago
Nah, I use both. They're good for different things. With induction, I can't put a controlled char on something, get anything like wok hei, grill a yakimochi, or even cook using the sides of any cookware. I can't even use it to set a pasta noodle on fire to light a candle with or to quickly sterilize glassware. I like induction for its efficiency, but it's only marginally superior for a narrow range of applications.
- LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
  Oh my gawd! Open fire! Ze particular matter! Ze dust! Lol, lighting a noodle to lighten a candle. I haven't thought of that. Stunning.

Only for people who have inferior electrics. People not suffering from that problem are happy with induction heating, and deem that superior in every aspect. (Given appropriate cooking ware)

fy20 5y ago

Be careful. After vaccines, politics and working from home vs the office, this is probably the next most controversial topic on HN.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Be that as it may, I'm prepared to deflect any flame with my antistick pans and lashing out with my silicone cookware, whipping any opponent hard! Yah! I do! :-)

mikewarot 5y ago

My gas stove and my 100 amp 240 volt service are about matched in terms of power capability. To switch, I'd have to spend thousands of dollars on an electrician to upgrade to 200 amp service, and wire a new outlet. Then buy a new electric appliance, dispose of the gas stove. In the end it would cost more per BTU, and nothing would have changed to help mother earth. Or, I could stick with my used $100 gas stove. This puts less carbon into the atmosphere then burning fuel in a power plant and losing a bunch of energy heating the grid, and doesn't create any new landfill.

matthewdgreen 5y ago
On an individual basis that may be true. But the real issue here is whether to maintain and continue to build new (potentially leaky) gas networks to housing. By replacing your stove with an electric one (only after it wears out) you’d be slightly reducing the pressure and incentive the pressure on municipalities and utilities.
- mikewarot 5y ago
  I still need gas for the water heater, the furnace and the clothes dryer. Otherwise we're back to looking at 200 Amp service again, and if everyone did it, doubling the size of the grid, and building even more fossil fueled generating stations to make up for the new electric load.
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    So what? Aren't electric heat pumps powered by natural gas power plants better for the environment than natural gas furnaces?
    - mikewarot 5y ago
      Not in the Midwest, when it often goes well below freezing, and usually as low as -40 degrees at least once per winter.
LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
I'm not denying that. I've just been irritated by the OP saying sensationalist things which are simply untrue. Like being faster, more powerful, more precisely controllable, big improvement in quality of life, and so on. Maybe it was for him, coming from where he was, but not as an absolute. Probably even the most simple thing like https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tragbar-1-zone-weiss-10486794/ https://www.ikea.com/de/de/p/tillreda-induktionskochfeld-tra... would be an improvement.
- mikewarot 5y ago
  Gas is MUCH faster, at least 4 times faster to get water up to boiling, if not more. You can directly see the flame, and know how much heat you're putting into something, almost instantly. The feedback cycle on electric cooking is a lot slower and more error prone. With an electric burner, I can't even get a large pot of water to a rapid boil, ever. I can get it up to temperature in about an hour. Electric cooking sucks compared to gas.
  - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
    Are you sure we are speaking about the same things when saying 'electric'? I've been referring to these: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Induction_cooking Have you ever worked with one, or seen one 'in action' while visiting someone/where? I'd guess not.
    - mikewarot 5y ago
      Mine was a bit smaller, plugged into a 15 amp circuit. I hated that wimpy thing, but it was all I had.
      - LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
        Are we really talking about the same thing? Did your's get hot, heating the pot or pan that way, OR did it stay cold, and heat only the pot/pan inductively via magical magnetics!1!!, which means a piece of paper would not even begin to burn if you'd put it between pot and 'cooking field' when for instance boiling water, making scrambled eggs, or something like that?

washadjeffmad 5y ago

Nah, I use both. They're good for different things. With induction, I can't put a controlled char on something, get anything like wok hei, grill a yakimochi, or even cook using the sides of any cookware. I can't even use it to set a pasta noodle on fire to light a candle with or to quickly sterilize glassware. I like induction for its efficiency, but it's only marginally superior for a narrow range of applications.

LargoLasskhyfv 5y ago
Oh my gawd! Open fire! Ze particular matter! Ze dust! Lol, lighting a noodle to lighten a candle. I haven't thought of that. Stunning.