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> From my circles, the vaccine/mask defiance is mostly about what is perceived (wrongly in my opinion, but still) as an overreach from the state, and as a risky

> From my circles, the vaccine/mask defiance is mostly about what is perceived (wrongly in my opinion, but still) as an overreach from the state, and as a risky bet that they might not want to take. Then why is it typically those same people that want to remove women's ability to have an abortion?

CapricornNoble 5y ago
Who are "those same people"? I'm going to assume you mean conservative white people in flyover states? Do you understand that black and hispanic vaccination rates lag other ethnicities? [1][2] A couple of my group chats that are exclusively other black male expats, with origins ranging from Canada to the US to Kenya, are full of shared meme images and videos about the risks/dangers of COVID vaccination. Vehement opposition includes our one ER nurse-turned-millionaire-day-trader, and an aerospace engineer in the UK....We're definitely not a demographic screaming against abortion....hell, abortion saves a bunch of us from child support payments. (I'm only being slightly facetious). Long story short, I would suggest broadening your information exposure if you think only "those people" are hesitant/opposed to rushed COVID-19 vaccines being rammed down our throats by the same governments who approved of prescription opioids and the Tuskegee Experiment. [1]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-... [2]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/07/vaccine-equity-black-americans-biden-491973 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/07/vaccine-equity-blac...
- silicon2401 5y ago
  Many people only care about minorities who are convenient to the point being made, while ignoring the other minorities. I've spoken to people who excuse this as saying that we have to be practical and consider the majority of the minority group opinions (wasn't the point to help minorities?). For example, you never see liberals who virtue signal about giving minorities a platform trying to give a platform to trans people and Hispanics who supported Trump, conservative and anti-immigration or anti-abortion minorities, Hispanics offended by the word "latinx", blacks who disagree with renaming "master" branches in git, and your example of black and hispanic people who don't vaccinate.
  - Karsteski 5y ago
    I'm one of those black people who disagrees with the renaming of Master branch on Github. I purposely change main to master every time I start a new repo now. It is incredibly condescending that these people think we can't differentiate between different usages of the word master. I refuse to be a part of that.
    - odessacubbage 5y ago
      in my experience pretty much every instance of 'we've done away with something due to the demands of affinity group x' actually means 'one or two of the members of my clique are members of affinity group x and happen to share my cultural agenda so we'll force through this change regardless of what's actually desired because because we know what's best for them'
odessacubbage 5y ago
iirc the highest rates of vaccine hesitancy are among african americans, orthodox jews, native americans and pacific islanders. unsurprisingly these are all groups with very valid historical reasons to not trust the government. using public health debates as a proxy to dunk on your cultural adversaries is one of the big reasons why our national discourse has become utterly unsalvageable.
- watwut 5y ago
  The biggest vaccine hesitancy is among Trump voters. Who are super unlikely to be black.

CapricornNoble 5y ago

Who are "those same people"? I'm going to assume you mean conservative white people in flyover states? Do you understand that black and hispanic vaccination rates lag other ethnicities? [1][2] A couple of my group chats that are exclusively other black male expats, with origins ranging from Canada to the US to Kenya, are full of shared meme images and videos about the risks/dangers of COVID vaccination. Vehement opposition includes our one ER nurse-turned-millionaire-day-trader, and an aerospace engineer in the UK....We're definitely not a demographic screaming against abortion....hell, abortion saves a bunch of us from child support payments. (I'm only being slightly facetious). Long story short, I would suggest broadening your information exposure if you think only "those people" are hesitant/opposed to rushed COVID-19 vaccines being rammed down our throats by the same governments who approved of prescription opioids and the Tuskegee Experiment. [1]https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-data-on-covid-19-vaccinations-race-ethnicity/ https://www.kff.org/coronavirus-covid-19/issue-brief/latest-... [2]https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/07/vaccine-equity-black-americans-biden-491973 https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/07/vaccine-equity-blac...

silicon2401 5y ago
Many people only care about minorities who are convenient to the point being made, while ignoring the other minorities. I've spoken to people who excuse this as saying that we have to be practical and consider the majority of the minority group opinions (wasn't the point to help minorities?). For example, you never see liberals who virtue signal about giving minorities a platform trying to give a platform to trans people and Hispanics who supported Trump, conservative and anti-immigration or anti-abortion minorities, Hispanics offended by the word "latinx", blacks who disagree with renaming "master" branches in git, and your example of black and hispanic people who don't vaccinate.
- Karsteski 5y ago
  I'm one of those black people who disagrees with the renaming of Master branch on Github. I purposely change main to master every time I start a new repo now. It is incredibly condescending that these people think we can't differentiate between different usages of the word master. I refuse to be a part of that.
  - odessacubbage 5y ago
    in my experience pretty much every instance of 'we've done away with something due to the demands of affinity group x' actually means 'one or two of the members of my clique are members of affinity group x and happen to share my cultural agenda so we'll force through this change regardless of what's actually desired because because we know what's best for them'

odessacubbage 5y ago

iirc the highest rates of vaccine hesitancy are among african americans, orthodox jews, native americans and pacific islanders. unsurprisingly these are all groups with very valid historical reasons to not trust the government. using public health debates as a proxy to dunk on your cultural adversaries is one of the big reasons why our national discourse has become utterly unsalvageable.

watwut 5y ago
The biggest vaccine hesitancy is among Trump voters. Who are super unlikely to be black.