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It's worth noting how little debate there was (or is) on any of this here in Australia, by the by. The government decides this is happening, and the media cheer

It's worth noting how little debate there was (or is) on any of this here in Australia, by the by. The government decides this is happening, and the media cheer them on. Any critical voice is instantly branded anti-science, told they don't care about lives, etc. The opposition parties, if anything, want more of it (irrespective of whether they're left or right in a given state). We're a reasonably small country, so often the media and the politicians know one another rather well (revolving doors, small social circles, etc), but it honestly doesn't feel like we have a free and critical media or opposition at all right now. PS: Watch this short clip for an idea of what news looks like in Australia at the moment: https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1429786126815010820 https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1429786126815010820

president 5y ago
> Any critical voice is instantly branded anti-science This has been the fishiest thing for me during the entire pandemic. It seems the slightest questioning of the mainstream narrative results in censorship. Even pointing this out can result in censorship or people lashing out.
- SamTwardowski 5y ago
  We are in the midst of a holiness spiral and you dare question the cargo cult science at the center of all of this? It's never safe to be a heretic in the midst of a holiness spiral.
- gremloni 5y ago
  I honestly blame the right wing for making belief in outrageous conspiracies so commonplace that lower tier manipulations just slip through.
- morpheos137 5y ago
  People prefer safety to abstract concepts like democracy or free speech.
josephcsible 5y ago
> the media cheer them on These four points seem to be in contradiction with each other: 1. Most of Australia's media supports the lockdowns 2. Most of Australia's media is owned by Rupert Murdoch 3. Rupert Murdoch's media is right-wing 4. The right wing opposes the lockdowns Yet I hear combinations of those points all the time. What's happening here?
- nl 5y ago
  The Murdoch press is mostly opposed to anything progressive governments (eg Victoria) do. Once the conservative government in NSW implemented lock downs they were (mostly) suddenly on board. This of course is more of an indictment than them just being opposed to lockdowns. They aren't opposed for ideological reasons, just for political convenience.
- austhrow743 5y ago
  Where did you get 4 from? They specifically point out that our institutions being unanimously pro strict lockdown is irrespective of the party being left or right.
  - dtn 5y ago
    The federal government have been frothing at the mouth to get states to open up since the start of the pandemic, especially focused on VIC. They've only changed their messaging temporarily to be pro-lockdown recently when NSW initially dropped the ball, and then pivoted again to focus on vaccines and "living with COVID" when it was clear NSW couldn't recover. https://twitter.com/joshfrydenberg/status/1316226191406190592?lang=en https://twitter.com/joshfrydenberg/status/131622619140619059...

president 5y ago

> Any critical voice is instantly branded anti-science This has been the fishiest thing for me during the entire pandemic. It seems the slightest questioning of the mainstream narrative results in censorship. Even pointing this out can result in censorship or people lashing out.

SamTwardowski 5y ago
We are in the midst of a holiness spiral and you dare question the cargo cult science at the center of all of this? It's never safe to be a heretic in the midst of a holiness spiral.
gremloni 5y ago
I honestly blame the right wing for making belief in outrageous conspiracies so commonplace that lower tier manipulations just slip through.
morpheos137 5y ago
People prefer safety to abstract concepts like democracy or free speech.

josephcsible 5y ago

> the media cheer them on These four points seem to be in contradiction with each other: 1. Most of Australia's media supports the lockdowns 2. Most of Australia's media is owned by Rupert Murdoch 3. Rupert Murdoch's media is right-wing 4. The right wing opposes the lockdowns Yet I hear combinations of those points all the time. What's happening here?

nl 5y ago
The Murdoch press is mostly opposed to anything progressive governments (eg Victoria) do. Once the conservative government in NSW implemented lock downs they were (mostly) suddenly on board. This of course is more of an indictment than them just being opposed to lockdowns. They aren't opposed for ideological reasons, just for political convenience.
austhrow743 5y ago
Where did you get 4 from? They specifically point out that our institutions being unanimously pro strict lockdown is irrespective of the party being left or right.
- dtn 5y ago
  The federal government have been frothing at the mouth to get states to open up since the start of the pandemic, especially focused on VIC. They've only changed their messaging temporarily to be pro-lockdown recently when NSW initially dropped the ball, and then pivoted again to focus on vaccines and "living with COVID" when it was clear NSW couldn't recover. https://twitter.com/joshfrydenberg/status/1316226191406190592?lang=en https://twitter.com/joshfrydenberg/status/131622619140619059...