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The difference is that it doesn't matter if the behavior is justified. The only thing that matters is getting them vaccinated. Even if you have to forgive them

by flaque 5y ago

The difference is that it doesn't matter if the behavior is justified. The only thing that matters is getting them vaccinated. Even if you have to forgive them, even if you have to give them sympathy they don't deserve. Shaming doesn't work when the half population is unvaccinated. You actually have to convince people, even if they don't deserve the effort. Because if you don't get them vaccinated, many people will die.

SquishyPanda23 5y ago
Hey, sorry I missed the statement in the original post where you called them irrational. Apologies for not reading more carefully. In that sense my original response wasn't disagreeing with you. I do disagree with you tactically, though. The percentage of the adults in my country (the US) who have received one dose is closer to 2/3. That leaves about 1/3 of eligible people unvaccinated. This is roughly the same 1/3 of people who don't believe in evolution, and the same 1/3 that believe that Covid is a hoax, or that you can beat it by taking horse dewormer. Trying to fight this by winning over hearts and minds is like when serious scientists try to debate evolution with creationists. It's a waste of everyone's time. The only way to get the vaccine numbers up is to make vaccines mandatory for school, employment, travel, etc like other vaccines are.
- kcplate 5y ago
  Your comment seems to make the assumption that this 1/3 unvaccinated are the same folks that are anti-evolution, Covid is a hoax, and ivermectin proponents. That is certainly some of the unvaxed and probably the most vocal, but you are leaving out a whole other diverse group of folks. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-ame...
- flaque 5y ago
  > The only way to get the vaccine numbers up is to make vaccines mandatory for school, employment, travel, etc like other vaccines are. I agree with this, but not necessarily for the same reason. I think this gives a whole lot of people a very clear and easy way to feel like they were still “right”, but to also get vaccinated. They can blame someone for “forcing” them, but still get vaccinated. This is especially important if they have previously told many people that “they’re not getting the vaccine”. It lets them out of commitments, and makes them more receptive to real information. Since, when it starts to feel more like you’re going to get the vaccine at some point, you’re more willing to rationalize towards making that okay, rather than rationalizing reasons why not getting the vaccine is okay.

by flaque 5y ago

SquishyPanda23 5y ago

Hey, sorry I missed the statement in the original post where you called them irrational. Apologies for not reading more carefully. In that sense my original response wasn't disagreeing with you. I do disagree with you tactically, though. The percentage of the adults in my country (the US) who have received one dose is closer to 2/3. That leaves about 1/3 of eligible people unvaccinated. This is roughly the same 1/3 of people who don't believe in evolution, and the same 1/3 that believe that Covid is a hoax, or that you can beat it by taking horse dewormer. Trying to fight this by winning over hearts and minds is like when serious scientists try to debate evolution with creationists. It's a waste of everyone's time. The only way to get the vaccine numbers up is to make vaccines mandatory for school, employment, travel, etc like other vaccines are.

kcplate 5y ago
Your comment seems to make the assumption that this 1/3 unvaccinated are the same folks that are anti-evolution, Covid is a hoax, and ivermectin proponents. That is certainly some of the unvaxed and probably the most vocal, but you are leaving out a whole other diverse group of folks. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-americans.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/07/31/us/virus-unvaccinated-ame...
flaque 5y ago
> The only way to get the vaccine numbers up is to make vaccines mandatory for school, employment, travel, etc like other vaccines are. I agree with this, but not necessarily for the same reason. I think this gives a whole lot of people a very clear and easy way to feel like they were still “right”, but to also get vaccinated. They can blame someone for “forcing” them, but still get vaccinated. This is especially important if they have previously told many people that “they’re not getting the vaccine”. It lets them out of commitments, and makes them more receptive to real information. Since, when it starts to feel more like you’re going to get the vaccine at some point, you’re more willing to rationalize towards making that okay, rather than rationalizing reasons why not getting the vaccine is okay.