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Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to this. I understand the justifications and the frustration, but so much of that is people being hateful. I've seen everything

Reddit has a subreddit dedicated to this. I understand the justifications and the frustration, but so much of that is people being hateful. I've seen everything from race, hair style, weight, religion, etc mocked because the people deserve it. I think it's the most toxic part of humanity. I hope reddit closes hateful subs like this. Here is a similar article about that sub. https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/herman-cain-awards https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/herman-cain-awards

beaconstudios 5y ago
not surprising to be honest, reddit is a pretty vitriolic place.
- WalterSear 5y ago
  IMHO, this place is more toxic. Sure, there is a much stronger social policing of personal attacks and sophomoric comments, but within those bounds, some people appear to feel freer to make genuinely cutting comments and express vitriolic opinions.
  - beaconstudios 5y ago
    they're the same place (literally, same demographics and that), HN just pushes people to be passive-aggressive instead of regular aggressive because of the rules on tone, even though the spirit of the rules is to be inquisitive rather than abrasive.
    - WalterSear 5y ago
      I disagree. 14% of the US use reddit++. It's possible, and IMHO, likely that most HN users are reddit users. It's definitely not the case that most reddit users are HN users. t In my utterly subjective opinion, the users of HN are generally older, and almost certainly more STEM oriented than their reddit counterparts. Both their age and their experience might explain why they are more skilled at eviscerating a commenter while staying within the letter of HN social norms and moderation. Moreover, and I reiterate, IMHSO, the more toxic users on HN tend to be primarily reactionary in political persuasion, whereas, reddit has a much more wider political varieties of jackass. Perhaps this is a result of there not being subHN forums to where people would self-segregate. ++ https://www.oberlo.com/blog/reddit-statistics https://www.oberlo.com/blog/reddit-statistics
      - beaconstudios 5y ago
        HN's core audience migrated from reddit after it became victim to the eternal September effect after it went mainstream. Reddit's core culture is the same as HN's - which is to say liberal, atheist, materialist and STEM-fetishising, and drawn to geek culture/media. Demographics-wise, white males from the US, predominantly urban/city-oriented. The main difference is that HN is more technical, and probably older because of said migration. My experience with people being toxic or negative or whatever has been mainly people being passive-aggressive or hostile, regardless of politics. Most reactionary content here just gets flagged into oblivion regardless of how it's presented, of course. So the unpleasantness that actually sticks around tends to be either apolitical or liberal/progressive (I find neoliberals are too busy trying to make money to engage in petty arguments!).
vernie 5y ago
It's funny when taken in moderation, but the seemingly endless stream of nearly-identical posts is depressingly monotonous.
cercatrova 5y ago
Can you really blame those commentors? I certainly cannot, and I said so in another comment of mine. Reddit was right to close down actually harmful subs like r/NoNewNormal which was basically vaccine conspiracy peddling. Compared to that, HCA is nothing. It's not causing anything, it's only showing the effects of things like being antivax.
- crazy_horse 5y ago
  It's full of hatred. I can understand being upset, but being so frustrated that you revel in the deaths of innocent people? These people are victims learning the most painful and lat lesson of their lives. Saying that the trash has been taken out when someone dies (yes, a quote form that article), is lacking humanity.
  - cercatrova 5y ago
    The death is of their own creation. They literally chose to die, and moreover, they chose to take actions that would harm other people. How could I have sympathy for someone who actively chooses to harm others and succumbs to their own demise?
    - crazy_horse 5y ago
      You don't have to. I think there's a difference between that and chasing down posts on Facebook so you can gloat over their death.
      - cercatrova 5y ago
        Yeah you're right. I think I'm just too tired of people killing others and dying themselves that I'm just starting to feel schadenfreude instead of sympathy.

beaconstudios 5y ago

not surprising to be honest, reddit is a pretty vitriolic place.

WalterSear 5y ago
IMHO, this place is more toxic. Sure, there is a much stronger social policing of personal attacks and sophomoric comments, but within those bounds, some people appear to feel freer to make genuinely cutting comments and express vitriolic opinions.
- beaconstudios 5y ago
  they're the same place (literally, same demographics and that), HN just pushes people to be passive-aggressive instead of regular aggressive because of the rules on tone, even though the spirit of the rules is to be inquisitive rather than abrasive.
  - WalterSear 5y ago
    I disagree. 14% of the US use reddit++. It's possible, and IMHO, likely that most HN users are reddit users. It's definitely not the case that most reddit users are HN users. t In my utterly subjective opinion, the users of HN are generally older, and almost certainly more STEM oriented than their reddit counterparts. Both their age and their experience might explain why they are more skilled at eviscerating a commenter while staying within the letter of HN social norms and moderation. Moreover, and I reiterate, IMHSO, the more toxic users on HN tend to be primarily reactionary in political persuasion, whereas, reddit has a much more wider political varieties of jackass. Perhaps this is a result of there not being subHN forums to where people would self-segregate. ++ https://www.oberlo.com/blog/reddit-statistics https://www.oberlo.com/blog/reddit-statistics
    - beaconstudios 5y ago
      HN's core audience migrated from reddit after it became victim to the eternal September effect after it went mainstream. Reddit's core culture is the same as HN's - which is to say liberal, atheist, materialist and STEM-fetishising, and drawn to geek culture/media. Demographics-wise, white males from the US, predominantly urban/city-oriented. The main difference is that HN is more technical, and probably older because of said migration. My experience with people being toxic or negative or whatever has been mainly people being passive-aggressive or hostile, regardless of politics. Most reactionary content here just gets flagged into oblivion regardless of how it's presented, of course. So the unpleasantness that actually sticks around tends to be either apolitical or liberal/progressive (I find neoliberals are too busy trying to make money to engage in petty arguments!).

vernie 5y ago

It's funny when taken in moderation, but the seemingly endless stream of nearly-identical posts is depressingly monotonous.

cercatrova 5y ago

Can you really blame those commentors? I certainly cannot, and I said so in another comment of mine. Reddit was right to close down actually harmful subs like r/NoNewNormal which was basically vaccine conspiracy peddling. Compared to that, HCA is nothing. It's not causing anything, it's only showing the effects of things like being antivax.

crazy_horse 5y ago
It's full of hatred. I can understand being upset, but being so frustrated that you revel in the deaths of innocent people? These people are victims learning the most painful and lat lesson of their lives. Saying that the trash has been taken out when someone dies (yes, a quote form that article), is lacking humanity.
- cercatrova 5y ago
  The death is of their own creation. They literally chose to die, and moreover, they chose to take actions that would harm other people. How could I have sympathy for someone who actively chooses to harm others and succumbs to their own demise?
  - crazy_horse 5y ago
    You don't have to. I think there's a difference between that and chasing down posts on Facebook so you can gloat over their death.
    - cercatrova 5y ago
      Yeah you're right. I think I'm just too tired of people killing others and dying themselves that I'm just starting to feel schadenfreude instead of sympathy.