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You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. I'm never going to buy the attempts to equate getting a personal preventable illness with willfu

by Legion 5y ago

You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. I'm never going to buy the attempts to equate getting a personal preventable illness with willful and malicious disregard of the health of everyone surrounding you. We're pretty understanding of a person who struggles with alcoholism. We're a whole lot less understanding when they choose to get behind the wheel.

kmonsen 5y ago
Riding a motorbike? Does nothing for anyone that cannot be done in a safer way but kills people and sometimes others. Drinking alcohol? I think making fun of someone dying is way too harsh. All that being said I think vaccine certificates should be introduced with some ways of testing out for people that cannot take the vaccine.
- jzoch 5y ago
  Its culturally acceptable to shame drunk drivers, smokers (in public spaces), and more. Im not necessarily agreeing we should but it certainly follows that shaming people for endangering others re: vaccines is in line with modern cultural norms.
marcusverus 5y ago
> You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. This seems like a deflection. Given GP's argument, a better question would be are obese people more likely to spread COVID than non-obese people? Well, we know someone who has contracted COVID can expect worse outcomes if they're obese. Given that, it seems safe to assume that obese people are more likely to get breakthrough infections and/or that they have slower recoveries (i.e. more coughing/sneezing and more spreading COVID) than non-obese people. So it seems reasonable (in a back-of-the-envelope sort of way) to infer that obese folks are more likely to spread COVID than non-obese folks. Now, back to GP's argument--If we're suggesting that non-vaccinated people are less deserving of healthcare than vaccinated people because they're contributing the the spread of COVID, why wouldn't we treat obese folks the same?
refurb 5y ago
Healthcare is a limited resource. People who overeat, drinking or otherwise contribute to their health problems sure as hell do take up healthcare resources from everyone else.
mioasndo 5y ago
The covid vaccines do not prevent transmission, and people who are unvaccinated are not intentionally infecting others with covid. Taking the vaccine is also not the same as not driving sober because there are real fatal risks to taking the vaccine. Also, the main risk of death from covid is for people that do have preventable personal illnesses, or serious health issues. The average person dying from covid in the US has 4 comorbidity and only 5% of deaths do not have comorbidity [0]. So, tell me, why should a healthy, young person, who already had covid and went through it no problem, take a vaccine that could literally kill them? Because vaccine passports as introduced in some places will majorly mess up the lives of many people. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Co...

by Legion 5y ago

kmonsen 5y ago

Riding a motorbike? Does nothing for anyone that cannot be done in a safer way but kills people and sometimes others. Drinking alcohol? I think making fun of someone dying is way too harsh. All that being said I think vaccine certificates should be introduced with some ways of testing out for people that cannot take the vaccine.

jzoch 5y ago
Its culturally acceptable to shame drunk drivers, smokers (in public spaces), and more. Im not necessarily agreeing we should but it certainly follows that shaming people for endangering others re: vaccines is in line with modern cultural norms.

marcusverus 5y ago

> You overeating doesn't give everyone else around you diabetes. This seems like a deflection. Given GP's argument, a better question would be are obese people more likely to spread COVID than non-obese people? Well, we know someone who has contracted COVID can expect worse outcomes if they're obese. Given that, it seems safe to assume that obese people are more likely to get breakthrough infections and/or that they have slower recoveries (i.e. more coughing/sneezing and more spreading COVID) than non-obese people. So it seems reasonable (in a back-of-the-envelope sort of way) to infer that obese folks are more likely to spread COVID than non-obese folks. Now, back to GP's argument--If we're suggesting that non-vaccinated people are less deserving of healthcare than vaccinated people because they're contributing the the spread of COVID, why wouldn't we treat obese folks the same?

refurb 5y ago

Healthcare is a limited resource. People who overeat, drinking or otherwise contribute to their health problems sure as hell do take up healthcare resources from everyone else.

mioasndo 5y ago

The covid vaccines do not prevent transmission, and people who are unvaccinated are not intentionally infecting others with covid. Taking the vaccine is also not the same as not driving sober because there are real fatal risks to taking the vaccine. Also, the main risk of death from covid is for people that do have preventable personal illnesses, or serious health issues. The average person dying from covid in the US has 4 comorbidity and only 5% of deaths do not have comorbidity [0]. So, tell me, why should a healthy, young person, who already had covid and went through it no problem, take a vaccine that could literally kill them? Because vaccine passports as introduced in some places will majorly mess up the lives of many people. [0] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Comorbidities https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm#Co...