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Do you have any citations pointing to where "police are called on someone who grows a garden in their front yard"? Unkempt lawns are definitely a matter of civi

Do you have any citations pointing to where "police are called on someone who grows a garden in their front yard"? Unkempt lawns are definitely a matter of civil penalties in some jurisdiction, but I've never heard of (and frankly would be shocked if there was) a municipality that actually criminalized having an unkempt lawn.

floatingatoll 5y ago
As a kindness, I checked the first page of search results for the unquoted search phrase "arrested for unkempt lawn" for you, which provides several results about several people in several states on the first page; I stopped after the four below, and noted in passing how most of them seem to be regions where classism and/or racism remain prevalent today. https://www.fitsnews.com/2019/08/21/south-carolina-women-goes-to-jail-for-not-mowing-her-grass/ https://www.fitsnews.com/2019/08/21/south-carolina-women-goe... https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-06-me-51449-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-06-me-51449... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798209/angry-woman-faced-jail-time-overgrown-yard.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798209/angry-woman... https://homeimprovementnewsjournal.com/man-arrested-for-shooting-police-code-compliance-crew-for-unkempt-lawn/ https://homeimprovementnewsjournal.com/man-arrested-for-shoo... I invite you to search on your own if you require further evidence, and if you do choose to do so, I hope the search terms above help save you time.
- sithadmin 5y ago
  None of these seem to reflect what I was asking about. #1: Woman was arrested for contempt of court #2: Man was arrested for violating terms of probation #3: This seems to fit the narrative, but, I quote: "The judge admitted that [unkempt-lawn-haver] is not a criminal and it was not a criminal case." It appears that a judge gave her the option of community service or 6 hours in jail to waive a (civil) fine? #4: Appears to be about police arresting someone who shot lawnmowers with a gun
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    I would normally engage with someone and take apart each of the examples and demonstrate how they all do in fact stem directly from lawn maintenance laws. However, I can't come up with any way to give you the benefit the doubt for your series of replies here. You seem to have refused to perform your own research and draw conclusions from the results you find on your own, and I'm not interested in trying to argue with someone who simultaneously demands research from others (on an internet web forum, no less) while not performing even the most basic work themselves. With apologies, you'll have to move forward without further input from me.
    - sithadmin 5y ago
      The question isn't whether the events in each of these examples you highlighted 'stem directly from lawn maintenance laws' - they all unquestionably do. But none of them seem to be cases where the act of keeping an unkempt lawn itself was a criminal act, which seemed to be what your original claim was.
      - R0b0t1 5y ago
        It very quickly goes into criminality. A lot of non-criminal punishments are things like fines, or withdrawing your drivers license, and after that you run into things that do actually make you a criminal, like repeatedly driving without a license or repeatedly failing to pay a court ordered bill.
    - 908B64B197 5y ago
      That reminds me of some AI ethicist who have as a "policy" to never give a platform to their opponents. ie, never respond to their arguments and just keep mobbing. Interesting.
      - floatingatoll 5y ago
        I notice that you've now tried twice to attack my character in this thread rather than participate in the discussion of the topic; once by claiming an outrageous belief that I don't believe, and once by claiming that I'm refusing to discuss the topic with anyone who disagrees with me. See also the reply to your other attempt where your question evidences either a failure to read my original comment, as instead of contradicting the argument presented (which answers the question you asked) or an attempt to water down my original post by asking my to repeat myself for no relevant purpose to the discussion except to take up my time and grant implied validity to your framing. As my history represents, I do quite often spend an unusually high amount of time in discussions on the site, sometimes farther into the weeds than the site generally has good UI for, when people are engaging with a conscious desire to converse, even when we disagree. I rarely choose to end participation in a thread before the other persons tires of replying, but I make a special exception for threads about gender and race, because in those areas there are known conversational tactics that involve draining time and credibility through sealioning. As your history represents, you have on multiple occasions attempted to change the course of conversations about race and racism from race and racism to anything but race and racism, which does not suggest that it's productive to engage with you at length on the topic of racism that I'm discussing here today. Whether or not we'd end up agreeing, it's not useful to others for me to enable that for you, and it's not the conversation I'm here to have today. You are of course welcome to start your own thread with your beliefs, but I'm not required to help you do so. I understand this will feed into whatever conspiracy theory you're trying to promote, but I have dessert waiting in the kitchen and that's more important to me right now than your opinion of me. I encourage you to email any complaints you have about my behavior here to the mods directly to the address in the footer contact link, but I must also advise that you'll find that HN guidelines are not compatible with implied accusations of bad faith behavior in the manner you're doing here. As the guidelines indicate, if you feel that I am participating in bad faith on HN, email the mods.
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908B64B197 5y ago
I think you are arguing with someone that already decided lawns are racist.
- floatingatoll 5y ago
  Lawns aren't racist, but laws often are.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    How is requiring lawn care racist?
    - floatingatoll 5y ago
      https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28399726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28399726

floatingatoll 5y ago

As a kindness, I checked the first page of search results for the unquoted search phrase "arrested for unkempt lawn" for you, which provides several results about several people in several states on the first page; I stopped after the four below, and noted in passing how most of them seem to be regions where classism and/or racism remain prevalent today. https://www.fitsnews.com/2019/08/21/south-carolina-women-goes-to-jail-for-not-mowing-her-grass/ https://www.fitsnews.com/2019/08/21/south-carolina-women-goe... https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-06-me-51449-story.html https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-2000-jan-06-me-51449... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798209/angry-woman-faced-jail-time-overgrown-yard.html https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2798209/angry-woman... https://homeimprovementnewsjournal.com/man-arrested-for-shooting-police-code-compliance-crew-for-unkempt-lawn/ https://homeimprovementnewsjournal.com/man-arrested-for-shoo... I invite you to search on your own if you require further evidence, and if you do choose to do so, I hope the search terms above help save you time.

sithadmin 5y ago
None of these seem to reflect what I was asking about. #1: Woman was arrested for contempt of court #2: Man was arrested for violating terms of probation #3: This seems to fit the narrative, but, I quote: "The judge admitted that [unkempt-lawn-haver] is not a criminal and it was not a criminal case." It appears that a judge gave her the option of community service or 6 hours in jail to waive a (civil) fine? #4: Appears to be about police arresting someone who shot lawnmowers with a gun
- floatingatoll 5y ago
  I would normally engage with someone and take apart each of the examples and demonstrate how they all do in fact stem directly from lawn maintenance laws. However, I can't come up with any way to give you the benefit the doubt for your series of replies here. You seem to have refused to perform your own research and draw conclusions from the results you find on your own, and I'm not interested in trying to argue with someone who simultaneously demands research from others (on an internet web forum, no less) while not performing even the most basic work themselves. With apologies, you'll have to move forward without further input from me.
  - sithadmin 5y ago
    The question isn't whether the events in each of these examples you highlighted 'stem directly from lawn maintenance laws' - they all unquestionably do. But none of them seem to be cases where the act of keeping an unkempt lawn itself was a criminal act, which seemed to be what your original claim was.
    - R0b0t1 5y ago
      It very quickly goes into criminality. A lot of non-criminal punishments are things like fines, or withdrawing your drivers license, and after that you run into things that do actually make you a criminal, like repeatedly driving without a license or repeatedly failing to pay a court ordered bill.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    That reminds me of some AI ethicist who have as a "policy" to never give a platform to their opponents. ie, never respond to their arguments and just keep mobbing. Interesting.
    - floatingatoll 5y ago
      I notice that you've now tried twice to attack my character in this thread rather than participate in the discussion of the topic; once by claiming an outrageous belief that I don't believe, and once by claiming that I'm refusing to discuss the topic with anyone who disagrees with me. See also the reply to your other attempt where your question evidences either a failure to read my original comment, as instead of contradicting the argument presented (which answers the question you asked) or an attempt to water down my original post by asking my to repeat myself for no relevant purpose to the discussion except to take up my time and grant implied validity to your framing. As my history represents, I do quite often spend an unusually high amount of time in discussions on the site, sometimes farther into the weeds than the site generally has good UI for, when people are engaging with a conscious desire to converse, even when we disagree. I rarely choose to end participation in a thread before the other persons tires of replying, but I make a special exception for threads about gender and race, because in those areas there are known conversational tactics that involve draining time and credibility through sealioning. As your history represents, you have on multiple occasions attempted to change the course of conversations about race and racism from race and racism to anything but race and racism, which does not suggest that it's productive to engage with you at length on the topic of racism that I'm discussing here today. Whether or not we'd end up agreeing, it's not useful to others for me to enable that for you, and it's not the conversation I'm here to have today. You are of course welcome to start your own thread with your beliefs, but I'm not required to help you do so. I understand this will feed into whatever conspiracy theory you're trying to promote, but I have dessert waiting in the kitchen and that's more important to me right now than your opinion of me. I encourage you to email any complaints you have about my behavior here to the mods directly to the address in the footer contact link, but I must also advise that you'll find that HN guidelines are not compatible with implied accusations of bad faith behavior in the manner you're doing here. As the guidelines indicate, if you feel that I am participating in bad faith on HN, email the mods.

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908B64B197 5y ago

I think you are arguing with someone that already decided lawns are racist.

floatingatoll 5y ago
Lawns aren't racist, but laws often are.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  How is requiring lawn care racist?
  - floatingatoll 5y ago
    https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28399726 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28399726