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I think the science always knew this, but they mislead the population because being vaccinated is still better than not. The whole vaccination thing is a white

I think the science always knew this, but they mislead the population because being vaccinated is still better than not. The whole vaccination thing is a white lie. We have never eradicated the flu, it mutates too fast. Same is true with Covid-19. The medical establishment has always known this, yet they spread propaganda because, again, being vaccinated is safer. The numbers about 99% effective were a lie, they knew it would mutate and that would see a drastic drop. I would argue this is a dangerous game they are playing with public trust.

gowld 5y ago
It's no game.The vaccine was extremely effective. After a year, a new vaccine will be needed for the new strains. Just like the flu vaccines.
gtt 5y ago
In my opinion science should be about Truth, the rest should be left to people and their leaders. Truth being central to the process of science is what makes science unique and allows for societies to accumulate knowledge.
dkural 5y ago
Could you provide a source for your 99%, given you're accusing others of lying? The numbers I have are ~96% for the Pfizer, and ~94% for Moderna. I explain this in another comment below, but even against Delta, the efficacy is actually quite high, even in the Israeli data: Vaccine effectiveness vs. severe disease for younger (<50yr) = 1 - 0.3/3.9 = 91.8% Vaccine effectiveness vs. severe disease for older (>50yr) = 1- 13.6/91.9 = 85.2% The combined number suffers from Simpson's paradox, please read more: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... & please stop spreading misinformation. 96-94% to 85-91% is against a new variant is hardly a drastic drop. The vaccine is saving millions of lives globally.
jonnycomputer 5y ago
When we make accusations like this, its becoming to actually point to specific examples where specific individuals or organizations have done this. For example, this doesn't accord with my recollection, by my recollection is skewed in various ways.

gowld 5y ago

It's no game.The vaccine was extremely effective. After a year, a new vaccine will be needed for the new strains. Just like the flu vaccines.

gtt 5y ago

In my opinion science should be about Truth, the rest should be left to people and their leaders. Truth being central to the process of science is what makes science unique and allows for societies to accumulate knowledge.

dkural 5y ago

Could you provide a source for your 99%, given you're accusing others of lying? The numbers I have are ~96% for the Pfizer, and ~94% for Moderna. I explain this in another comment below, but even against Delta, the efficacy is actually quite high, even in the Israeli data: Vaccine effectiveness vs. severe disease for younger (<50yr) = 1 - 0.3/3.9 = 91.8% Vaccine effectiveness vs. severe disease for older (>50yr) = 1- 13.6/91.9 = 85.2% The combined number suffers from Simpson's paradox, please read more: https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-efficacy-vs-severe-disease-be-strong-when-60-of-hospitalized-are-vaccinated https://www.covid-datascience.com/post/israeli-data-how-can-... & please stop spreading misinformation. 96-94% to 85-91% is against a new variant is hardly a drastic drop. The vaccine is saving millions of lives globally.

jonnycomputer 5y ago

When we make accusations like this, its becoming to actually point to specific examples where specific individuals or organizations have done this. For example, this doesn't accord with my recollection, by my recollection is skewed in various ways.