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If the drone can find the CSG it's already done it's job. Close out the perimeter and send the missile, you'll have a perimeter more than small enough for the o

If the drone can find the CSG it's already done it's job. Close out the perimeter and send the missile, you'll have a perimeter more than small enough for the on-board sensors to scan. And yes, a small modern drone can penetrate the scanning area of an E2 Hawkeye. It turns out stealth is a lot easier when your platform is much smaller, and you only care about the frontal aspect. Even moreso when you don't have large-wavelength radar.

dragontamer 5y ago
So you're just gonna lob a missile at the first cruiser you see and hope that the carrier is nearby? Like, China's production for these missiles is like, 10 per year. They can't afford to miss that often. Repeated air assaults to repeatedly tear down defenses (ex: target the Cruiser first, removing the first shield of the Carrier. Then target the next cruiser. Then finally work your way to the carrier) is certainly a workable plan. But again, this is a repeated air-assault against a CSG. My point is that its not going to take "one missile". Its going to take a campaign, at least if the CSG is doing its formation correctly. In the meantime, the CSG is presumably in range of its target, and also launching an all-out aerial assault.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  China's production for these missiles is 10 a year because they are still refining them - they haven't stuck to a final revision they will mass produce yet. Once that is done it's absolutely feasible to pump out 1000+ a year. And no, I'm not suggesting lobbing it around the first cruiser. I'm suggesting to approach the cruiser from a different angle, finding another ship of the CSG and build a perimeter, and then strike the center. This is not a repeated air assault of the CSG. That's an old doctrine. The doctrine is to completely bypass the defences of the CSG using a hypersonic missile. And no, you don't do this while the CSG is already in range, that's ridiculous. You do this when it's ~2000km away.
  - dragontamer 5y ago
    > And no, you don't do this while the CSG is already in range, that's ridiculous. You do this when it's ~2000km away. The AEGIS Cruiser's tomahawk missiles have 2500km range. You're not even outranging the escort ships, let alone the carrier at 2000km. That's why two AEGIS Cruisers escort a carrier. -------- BTW: This magic drone that can escape detection yet provide enough intelligence to pinpoint ships so that missiles can strike their targets on the high-seas sounds a lot like an F35.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      If you could get by with Tomahawks you wouldn't need to send a carrier. And no, the drone we're talking about is nowhere near an F-35. Examples of such drones are the CASC CH-7, the Okhotnik S-70, the GJ-11, the RQ-170 or the XQ-58. Unlike an F-35 these are extremely cheap, unmanned, and have very long loiter times, meaning that they can cover hundreds of kilometers in radius or even more.

dragontamer 5y ago

So you're just gonna lob a missile at the first cruiser you see and hope that the carrier is nearby? Like, China's production for these missiles is like, 10 per year. They can't afford to miss that often. Repeated air assaults to repeatedly tear down defenses (ex: target the Cruiser first, removing the first shield of the Carrier. Then target the next cruiser. Then finally work your way to the carrier) is certainly a workable plan. But again, this is a repeated air-assault against a CSG. My point is that its not going to take "one missile". Its going to take a campaign, at least if the CSG is doing its formation correctly. In the meantime, the CSG is presumably in range of its target, and also launching an all-out aerial assault.

sudosysgen 5y ago
China's production for these missiles is 10 a year because they are still refining them - they haven't stuck to a final revision they will mass produce yet. Once that is done it's absolutely feasible to pump out 1000+ a year. And no, I'm not suggesting lobbing it around the first cruiser. I'm suggesting to approach the cruiser from a different angle, finding another ship of the CSG and build a perimeter, and then strike the center. This is not a repeated air assault of the CSG. That's an old doctrine. The doctrine is to completely bypass the defences of the CSG using a hypersonic missile. And no, you don't do this while the CSG is already in range, that's ridiculous. You do this when it's ~2000km away.
- dragontamer 5y ago
  > And no, you don't do this while the CSG is already in range, that's ridiculous. You do this when it's ~2000km away. The AEGIS Cruiser's tomahawk missiles have 2500km range. You're not even outranging the escort ships, let alone the carrier at 2000km. That's why two AEGIS Cruisers escort a carrier. -------- BTW: This magic drone that can escape detection yet provide enough intelligence to pinpoint ships so that missiles can strike their targets on the high-seas sounds a lot like an F35.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    If you could get by with Tomahawks you wouldn't need to send a carrier. And no, the drone we're talking about is nowhere near an F-35. Examples of such drones are the CASC CH-7, the Okhotnik S-70, the GJ-11, the RQ-170 or the XQ-58. Unlike an F-35 these are extremely cheap, unmanned, and have very long loiter times, meaning that they can cover hundreds of kilometers in radius or even more.