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Yes, neither is Canada. In our case we're still inexorably bound to the US's interests and there's not much to do, really. It's not a measuring contest here.
by retrac 5y ago
Yes, neither is Canada. In our case we're still inexorably bound to the US's interests and there's not much to do, really. It's not a measuring contest here. It's dealing with the new realities. The UK is not as nearly bound to the USA. If they wish to retain autonomy, security, and also influence in the 21st century despite their small stature, they may need a new strategy if the sun is setting on their closest ally's empire. Especially if said ally is prone to fits like recently happened regarding their dependability. (I still can't fathom why the the UK would choose to leave the EU at this delicate point where mid-sized democratic powers need every friend they can get.)
- arethuza 5y agoThere is also a fair chance that the UK in its current form won't exist in 10 years time. This creates a particular problem for the UK's nuclear deterrent - which is based in Scotland.
- Veen 5y agoAny independence deal is likely to include an agreement to lease Faslane to the UK, at least for a while. The SNP won't like it, but there needs to be a pragmatic solution. If that doesn't work out, there are alternatives, but it would be hugely expensive.
- arethuza 5y agoYes, but I can't see any chance that it would be allowed to remain for more than 5 years, 10 years as at absolute maximum. Apparently bases elsewhere in rUK wouldn't be a great idea due to them being too easy to track submarines entering/leaving. Backup locations being considered for the Trident boats apparently include the US or even France.
- blibble 5y agowhat do you mean allowed? if the UK wished to retain the bases it would make retaining the land a condition for granting independence, similar to Cyprus this isn't like Article 50 where after 2 years you're out: the nationalists only method to get what they want is by agreeing to Westminster's requiements, in full otherwise Scotland continues to remain part of UK
- arethuza 5y agoThere is absolutely no way any Scottish government could agree to a long term presence on the Clyde.
- blibble 5y agothen it will remain part of the UK the nationalists have absolutely no leverage over the UK if you thought the Brexit negotiations were one sided: you've seen nothing yet
- Veen 5y agoThe fact is the UK owns Faslane. An independence referendum doesn't change that fact. A yes vote for independence is not a magic spell that will create a Scottish nation and transfer ownership of UK property to it. There will be a lengthy period of negotiation and transition, and whether the Scots like it or not, they will be by far the weaker partner in those negotiations.
- arethuza 5y agoAnd people wonder why so many in Scotland want independence....
- blibble 5y agoreality's a bitch isn't it at the point Scotland has voted out (if it ever happens), then the UK has no longer has any interest in what Scotland thinks, and will be as difficult as the EU was in the Brexit negotiations