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The problem with identity politics is that no progress is made. You are never going to convince another identity that yours should get special treatment. Only w

The problem with identity politics is that no progress is made. You are never going to convince another identity that yours should get special treatment. Only when a group demands equal rights do we make progress, because there is never any good arguments why one group shouldn't have the same rights as others. Equality remains self evident.

quantum_solanum 5y ago
Identity politics IS a demand for equality, based on the recognition that certain groups experience inequality in ways specific to them. For example, Black women are 3-4 times as likely to die from pregnancy related complications and twice as likely to lose an infant to premature death. A plea for that to be considered and rectified is not a desire for "special treatment," and in fact if it were to be changed that would almost certainly improve the United State's abysmal maternal healthcare FOR ALL WOMEN across the board. A rising tide lifts all boats, no?
- zepto 5y ago
  > Black women are 3-4 times as likely to die from pregnancy related complications and twice as likely to lose an infant to premature death. Yes, but only as a statistical category. Skin color is not causal. Rich black women are not 3-4 times as likely to die from pregnancy complications nor are they twice as likely to lose an infant to premature death. Similarly black immigrants have statistically different outcomes from black people who grew up in America on most measures. It’s not that the problems aren’t real. It’s not that they aren’t a consequence of racism. It’s that more racism is not a solution.
TMWNN 5y ago
>The problem with identity politics is that no progress is made. You are never going to convince another identity that yours should get special treatment. Only when a group demands equal rights do we make progress, because there is never any good arguments why one group shouldn't have the same rights as others. Equality remains self evident. Correct. It's the demand for special treatment and/or allowance for special behavior not tolerated in/allowed for others (and, conversely, not allowing others to receive the same special treatment) that causes resentment. "Part of left's problem is it expects/demands blacks/hispanics to vote on ethnic basis but is appalled when whites do" (<https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113 https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113>)

quantum_solanum 5y ago

Identity politics IS a demand for equality, based on the recognition that certain groups experience inequality in ways specific to them. For example, Black women are 3-4 times as likely to die from pregnancy related complications and twice as likely to lose an infant to premature death. A plea for that to be considered and rectified is not a desire for "special treatment," and in fact if it were to be changed that would almost certainly improve the United State's abysmal maternal healthcare FOR ALL WOMEN across the board. A rising tide lifts all boats, no?

zepto 5y ago
> Black women are 3-4 times as likely to die from pregnancy related complications and twice as likely to lose an infant to premature death. Yes, but only as a statistical category. Skin color is not causal. Rich black women are not 3-4 times as likely to die from pregnancy complications nor are they twice as likely to lose an infant to premature death. Similarly black immigrants have statistically different outcomes from black people who grew up in America on most measures. It’s not that the problems aren’t real. It’s not that they aren’t a consequence of racism. It’s that more racism is not a solution.

TMWNN 5y ago

>The problem with identity politics is that no progress is made. You are never going to convince another identity that yours should get special treatment. Only when a group demands equal rights do we make progress, because there is never any good arguments why one group shouldn't have the same rights as others. Equality remains self evident. Correct. It's the demand for special treatment and/or allowance for special behavior not tolerated in/allowed for others (and, conversely, not allowing others to receive the same special treatment) that causes resentment. "Part of left's problem is it expects/demands blacks/hispanics to vote on ethnic basis but is appalled when whites do" (<https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113 https://twitter.com/JYDenham/status/796345533124186113>)