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I personally believe the politicians and elite have sold us out and we will end up submitting to China without the need for a "hot war". Note that the only pres

I personally believe the politicians and elite have sold us out and we will end up submitting to China without the need for a "hot war". Note that the only president who attempted to challenge China was tarred and feathered to hell and back.

chitowneats 5y ago
And yet, the Biden admin has largely retained the previous administration's adversarial policies. The Washington consensus seems to have shifted, at least for now.
- president 5y ago
  I'm not aware of any meaningful policies that exist today to fend off growing Chinese dominance. In any case, I believe it would require a huge transformation of the US to turn around our decline to even begin to face off with China. There are 3 concerns I have: 1. We are deadlocked by domestic politics and our populous are divided. 2. We are completely dependent on China for critical goods and supply chain. 3. We are beholden to China via corporate and political interests. Unless these things can be turned around, and I believe it is impossible at this stage, we will succumb to the Chinese in the next decade or so.
  - chitowneats 5y ago
    Average U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods are still approximately 20%. No it's not enough and the issues you've mentioned are pressing but to say there are "no meaningful policies", relative to U.S. policy pre-Trump, is not accurate.
  - tibyat 5y ago
    4. US engineers seem to believe working on advertisement servers is a noble pursuit.
s5300 5y ago
Which president attempted to challenge China recently? Obama or Dubya? I can't recall too much of that. If you're speaking of the most recent one though, he personally has some rather large outstanding personal debt to China, and his mainland nickname known to the Chinese is quite literally "Nation Builder" I'll give you a hint - they aren't talking about the U.S. that he's building. Comrade Building the (Chinese) Nation Actions speak louder than words, something that nobody seems to keep in mind anymore... You are however correct in the fact that politicians and companies across the board have sold us out to China in the name of profit. At least we have Matt Parker and Trey Stone, right?
- president 5y ago
  Trade war comes to mind among other things (attempted Wechat/Tiktok ban, attempted Chinese investment ban, etc). Many of his ideas were shot down and DOA. Were they the right solutions? I have no idea. Were they stupid solutions? Maybe, but the important thing was his administration was explicit and made it publicly known China was more than just an adversary.
  - s5300 5y ago
    > administration was explicit and made it publicly known China was more than just an adversary. You're very seriously completely missing a major point. No, literally everything Trump did was helpful to China. Like, a lot Sorry if the stream of whatever garbage you expose yourself to in order to shape your view of the world has conditioned you to believe otherwise. For what it's worth, everybody with your line of thinking, that that administration was "hard on China", is just another reason the article is correct and why China is going to make the US look like a complete joke this century. But keep saying Orange man very hard on Jhyyynna if it makes you feel better during your time on Earth.
PEJOE 5y ago
Obama's TPP was a much better counter to China than anything the Trump administration accomplished. Too bad your "tarred and feathered," President didn't have the vision to take effective steps, and instead took loud, boisterous, and largely ineffective measures instead. Once his advisors realized the reality in , they begged to get back into the TPP at the original terms, but that ship had sailed. [https://www.ft.com/content/bc65dd72-3f2d-11e8-b7e0-52972418fec4 https://www.ft.com/content/bc65dd72-3f2d-11e8-b7e0-52972418f...] Nothing trump did China wise ever made up for this disastrous failure, and all of his tariffs hurt Americans even more than they bothered China.

chitowneats 5y ago

And yet, the Biden admin has largely retained the previous administration's adversarial policies. The Washington consensus seems to have shifted, at least for now.

president 5y ago
I'm not aware of any meaningful policies that exist today to fend off growing Chinese dominance. In any case, I believe it would require a huge transformation of the US to turn around our decline to even begin to face off with China. There are 3 concerns I have: 1. We are deadlocked by domestic politics and our populous are divided. 2. We are completely dependent on China for critical goods and supply chain. 3. We are beholden to China via corporate and political interests. Unless these things can be turned around, and I believe it is impossible at this stage, we will succumb to the Chinese in the next decade or so.
- chitowneats 5y ago
  Average U.S. tariffs on Chinese goods are still approximately 20%. No it's not enough and the issues you've mentioned are pressing but to say there are "no meaningful policies", relative to U.S. policy pre-Trump, is not accurate.
- tibyat 5y ago
  4. US engineers seem to believe working on advertisement servers is a noble pursuit.

s5300 5y ago

Which president attempted to challenge China recently? Obama or Dubya? I can't recall too much of that. If you're speaking of the most recent one though, he personally has some rather large outstanding personal debt to China, and his mainland nickname known to the Chinese is quite literally "Nation Builder" I'll give you a hint - they aren't talking about the U.S. that he's building. Comrade Building the (Chinese) Nation Actions speak louder than words, something that nobody seems to keep in mind anymore... You are however correct in the fact that politicians and companies across the board have sold us out to China in the name of profit. At least we have Matt Parker and Trey Stone, right?

president 5y ago
Trade war comes to mind among other things (attempted Wechat/Tiktok ban, attempted Chinese investment ban, etc). Many of his ideas were shot down and DOA. Were they the right solutions? I have no idea. Were they stupid solutions? Maybe, but the important thing was his administration was explicit and made it publicly known China was more than just an adversary.
- s5300 5y ago
  > administration was explicit and made it publicly known China was more than just an adversary. You're very seriously completely missing a major point. No, literally everything Trump did was helpful to China. Like, a lot Sorry if the stream of whatever garbage you expose yourself to in order to shape your view of the world has conditioned you to believe otherwise. For what it's worth, everybody with your line of thinking, that that administration was "hard on China", is just another reason the article is correct and why China is going to make the US look like a complete joke this century. But keep saying Orange man very hard on Jhyyynna if it makes you feel better during your time on Earth.

PEJOE 5y ago

Obama's TPP was a much better counter to China than anything the Trump administration accomplished. Too bad your "tarred and feathered," President didn't have the vision to take effective steps, and instead took loud, boisterous, and largely ineffective measures instead. Once his advisors realized the reality in , they begged to get back into the TPP at the original terms, but that ship had sailed. [https://www.ft.com/content/bc65dd72-3f2d-11e8-b7e0-52972418fec4 https://www.ft.com/content/bc65dd72-3f2d-11e8-b7e0-52972418f...] Nothing trump did China wise ever made up for this disastrous failure, and all of his tariffs hurt Americans even more than they bothered China.