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Well, since your first reply didn't acknowledged that there's a problem and instead even downplayed any need for action, hysterical laughter seems to be the app

• Clubber 5y ago
  >downplayed any need for action Show me where I downplayed need for action. >with such a dismissive non-nonchalance Show me where I dismissed climate change. I'll quote it again for you for reference. >>It's been going down since 2008. Our emissions are mid-80s level and we have over 50% larger population than we had then. That's not click worthy though; doesn't generate enough fear. Also, see if you can find an article in the NYT that talks about how we've significantly lowered our carbon emissions in the US that doesn't explain it away as due to covid. I tried and couldn't find any. NYT doesn't want to show you the US is making pretty good progress in our carbon emissions; the NYT wants to scare the shit out of you at all times because it's the best way to generate revenue.
  • esarbe 5y ago
    > Show me where I downplayed need for action. >> It's been going down since 2008. Our emissions are mid-80s level and we have over 50% larger population than we had then That's pretty downplaying, at least to my reading. To me, it says "There's nothing that we need doing, because we're already back in the 80ies!". That we've been able to reduce emissions is a tiny glimmer of hope, at best. Not some laurels to be proud of. > That's not click worthy though; doesn't generate enough fear. This - again; in my reading - dismisses the devastating and live-threatening consequences of ecosystem destruction to nothing more than a frenzy whipped up by the media. > the NYT wants to scare the shit out of you at all times because it's the best way to generate revenue. See, there again. You know, I want people to be fearful of climate change. Not because I'm selling newspaper or because I get money from advertisement clicks. I want people to be scared to death of climate change because that's the only rational response to the calamity we're in. Our ecosystem is dying and I'll be very surprised if humanity's global society makes it to the 22st century mark. The problem with grasping climate change (and the ecosystem destruction we're wrecking with our predatory exploitation of it) is that its consequences are somewhat in the future. Thirty, forty, fifty years. Individuals are not good at dealing with such time frames and thus our actions are inadequate. People are very, very, very bad at evaluating such probabilities. Our monkey brains are just not good at it and even though it might seem that we are rational creatures; we're everything but. We humans operate on emotions. I want people to be afraid of climate change and ecosystem collapse because honestly it's the biggest danger we're currently facing. It's no time for business-as-ususal. Business-as-usual will wreck our global society and every ounce of living standard we've had for the last 200 years. Do you enjoy your daily hot shower? Enjoy it good, you probably belong to one of the first and last generations of mankind to have ever known it. > we've significantly lowered our carbon emissions in the US Yeah, that's not significantly. That's barely enough for a passing grade, if even that. It's time to accept this and start acting like we're facing a global calamity of unprecedented scale. Because we are.
    • Clubber 5y ago
      Your messaging is doing the opposite of what you are trying to accomplish. What do many people do when they are in a state of despair, the state your messaging is portraying? They do nothing. Don't believe me? Go to any poor neighborhood. Is that what you are trying to accomplish? I suggest toning down the fear mongering rhetoric. Everyone knows global warming is a thing, the US government isn't ignoring it. Stop selling the fear. I don't blame you, that's what the NYT, et al, sells, but they sell it for profit. I'm not sure why you are selling it.
      • esarbe 5y ago
        Yes, now we're talking! Enough of the "we've accomplished so much" rhetoric already. Thank you! > What do many people do when they are in a state of despair, the state your messaging is portraying? They get fearful and then they get angry and then they demand changes. > I suggest toning down the fear mongering rhetoric Is is rhetoric if it's accurately portraits the state of things? Because all the statistics I've mentioned are documented scientific facts. Is it fear mongering to call out the state of things and to remind people what the stakes really are? Maybe? I don't know. But I don't think so. > Everyone knows global warming is a thing, the US government isn't ignoring it. The US government is still subsidizing fossil gas and is issuing permits for drilling, both on-shore and off-shore. Nothing is happening besides lip service. Little progress has been made and as soon as the Republicans are back in office, all of that will get reversed. Because even in the US, one of the richest countries in the world, more than 35% don't consider global warming to be a thing. There are lots of people that haven't yet realized that it is a thing. And even if they have realized that it's a thing; they either don't know how big of a thing it is or they refuse to speak out - both because they fear to be ridiculed and because they don't want to face the fact that we're headed for disaster. In our times, there is no other topic as urgent as getting a hold of climate change. > I'm not sure why you are selling it. I want for people to acknowledge that our predatory ecosystem exploitation has brought us to the brink of an existential crisis for all of humanity and that we have to get our shit together, as a species, to address this problem. Because, you know, I'm scared shirtless. I lie awake at night, of fear for the lives of my children and their children. Because they will not inherit a place to live. They will inherit a place to die. There will be millions and millions of people on the run, desperately trying to get somewhere they're not scorched by the heat and forced to starve to death. Their migration will destabilize governments and they will be welcomed with scorn and hatred. Our acidic oceans will be fished empty, empty and lifeless, our fields will be barren and dry and and what little food there is will be barely enough to feed the industrial countries. If we continue to act like we currently are, in forty years time there will be hunger and riots and strive and war. Globally. Because nothing is happening that would change the course we're currently on. There's a huge iceberg (A metaphorical one. The actual one has already melted, since the arctic is now ice free in summer) that we're headed straight towards and everyone is busy arranging the deck chairs for the orchestra. I want people to be afraid and fearful and to get angry and to demand change. Not climate change, the other kind of change. The kind of change that averts climate change.