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I'm also considering buying one, but Tesla is behind VW in EV sales in Europe overall, so I'm wondering why this is so upvoted and about the angle here.

by tziki 5y ago

izacus 5y ago
It's most likely upvoted because: - This place is predominately full of Americans which have little knowledge or access to european EVs (like the ones from VAG group). - Tesla is a darling of certain fan techy population and gets a lot of hype and cheerleading from those people - which are also a large chunk of HN population.
- shuckles 5y ago
  Heck, I rarely hear about the Honda e on here, which might be the most adorable and exciting EV on the market to me! Perhaps a simpler explanation is that this is a tech forum and not a car forum, and Tesla dominates mindshare in car “technology.”
  - drcross 5y ago
    The Honda-E is too small, has too short range and over priced. Maybe that's the reason.
    - dagw 5y ago
      over priced. How much does the Honda-E cost in the US? Here in Sweden the Honda starts at almost $20k cheaper than the cheapest Tesla Model 3. If I ever end up needing a commuter car, the Honda-E looks perfect.
      - theluketaylor 5y ago
        Honda is not bringing the e to North America at all, so there isn't any pricing to compare. If they were I'd be camped outside a dealer to get the first one.
  - zbrozek 5y ago
    It's really annoying that smaller cars aren't sold in the US. There's always claims that there's no appetite for them, but how do the car companies actually know that if none are on sale and therefore there's no data? I just leased a Bolt, but likely would have opted for an id.3 if it were available to me. Or any number of other smaller cars.
  - yurishimo 5y ago
    I want one of these so badly. I know it's not really practical for an American to own outside of maybe 3 city centers across the country, but they look so freakin cool. Unfortunately, importing one will not be possible until they reach antique status and by then who knows what will be wrong with them considering how much tech is inside. Honda makes great cars, but I don't expect any car with so many new tech features (screen mirrors!) to be operating at 100% after 25 years. Also, by that time, I'm sure there will be other cool cars that have made it to the US market that fill a similar niche. I'm just annoyed they aren't available now!
    - somedude895 5y ago
      I'm seriously considering trading in my Model S for a Honda E for the sole reason that... it just looks so damn cool! I was so excited when I first saw one in the flesh.
  - sensitive-ears 5y ago
    I really want to buy a Honda ebut, the range is so underwhelming. A Zoe isn't that much bigger, but gets 400km. It would be out only car do I don't think I want to take the risk on something low range
hawk_ 5y ago
I am personally buying a Tesla (in Europe) mainly because of the supercharger network. But I suspect the build quality of VW might be better.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago
  Just took delivery of a Model Y in the US (Fremont build, VIN 249XXX), the quality is top notch. No paint issues/blemishes, no missing parts of fasteners, everything checked out (using this [1] checklist). [1] https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist
  - hawk_ 5y ago
    The ones we are getting in Europe are still from Shanghai, not sure if that matters.
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      It does, units rolling out of Shanghai Gigafactory are of higher quality than Fremont. Based on reports of Model Y quality from various production points, can't go wrong (imho) with getting one regardless of where its being built. Looking forward to seeing the quality of those from Gigafactory Austin with Tesla's new single cast operation. https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-model-y-giga-press-texas-trial-run-video/ https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-model-y-giga-press-texas-tr...
  - hawk_ 5y ago
    is there a similar checklist for model 3?
    - toomuchtodo 5y ago
      You can use that same checklist I posted. There should be almost no delta except perhaps interior seating configuration. To confirm, "Model 3 checklist" returns several results, all of which seem comprehensive at a glance.
gibolt 5y ago
This is because Tesla has restricted sales while waiting for their Berlin factory to be finished. The Ys being delivered are because red tape slowed them down by ~6 months

I'm also considering buying one, but Tesla is behind VW in EV sales in Europe overall, so I'm wondering why this is so upvoted and about the angle here.

by tziki 5y ago

I'm also considering buying one, but Tesla is behind VW in EV sales in Europe overall, so I'm wondering why this is so upvoted and about the angle here.

izacus 5y ago

It's most likely upvoted because: - This place is predominately full of Americans which have little knowledge or access to european EVs (like the ones from VAG group). - Tesla is a darling of certain fan techy population and gets a lot of hype and cheerleading from those people - which are also a large chunk of HN population.

shuckles 5y ago
Heck, I rarely hear about the Honda e on here, which might be the most adorable and exciting EV on the market to me! Perhaps a simpler explanation is that this is a tech forum and not a car forum, and Tesla dominates mindshare in car “technology.”
- drcross 5y ago
  The Honda-E is too small, has too short range and over priced. Maybe that's the reason.
  - dagw 5y ago
    over priced. How much does the Honda-E cost in the US? Here in Sweden the Honda starts at almost $20k cheaper than the cheapest Tesla Model 3. If I ever end up needing a commuter car, the Honda-E looks perfect.
    - theluketaylor 5y ago
      Honda is not bringing the e to North America at all, so there isn't any pricing to compare. If they were I'd be camped outside a dealer to get the first one.
- zbrozek 5y ago
  It's really annoying that smaller cars aren't sold in the US. There's always claims that there's no appetite for them, but how do the car companies actually know that if none are on sale and therefore there's no data? I just leased a Bolt, but likely would have opted for an id.3 if it were available to me. Or any number of other smaller cars.
- yurishimo 5y ago
  I want one of these so badly. I know it's not really practical for an American to own outside of maybe 3 city centers across the country, but they look so freakin cool. Unfortunately, importing one will not be possible until they reach antique status and by then who knows what will be wrong with them considering how much tech is inside. Honda makes great cars, but I don't expect any car with so many new tech features (screen mirrors!) to be operating at 100% after 25 years. Also, by that time, I'm sure there will be other cool cars that have made it to the US market that fill a similar niche. I'm just annoyed they aren't available now!
  - somedude895 5y ago
    I'm seriously considering trading in my Model S for a Honda E for the sole reason that... it just looks so damn cool! I was so excited when I first saw one in the flesh.
- sensitive-ears 5y ago
  I really want to buy a Honda ebut, the range is so underwhelming. A Zoe isn't that much bigger, but gets 400km. It would be out only car do I don't think I want to take the risk on something low range

hawk_ 5y ago

I am personally buying a Tesla (in Europe) mainly because of the supercharger network. But I suspect the build quality of VW might be better.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
Just took delivery of a Model Y in the US (Fremont build, VIN 249XXX), the quality is top notch. No paint issues/blemishes, no missing parts of fasteners, everything checked out (using this [1] checklist). [1] https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist https://github.com/polymorphic/tesla-model-y-checklist
- hawk_ 5y ago
  The ones we are getting in Europe are still from Shanghai, not sure if that matters.
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    It does, units rolling out of Shanghai Gigafactory are of higher quality than Fremont. Based on reports of Model Y quality from various production points, can't go wrong (imho) with getting one regardless of where its being built. Looking forward to seeing the quality of those from Gigafactory Austin with Tesla's new single cast operation. https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-model-y-giga-press-texas-trial-run-video/ https://www.teslarati.com/teslas-model-y-giga-press-texas-tr...
- hawk_ 5y ago
  is there a similar checklist for model 3?
  - toomuchtodo 5y ago
    You can use that same checklist I posted. There should be almost no delta except perhaps interior seating configuration. To confirm, "Model 3 checklist" returns several results, all of which seem comprehensive at a glance.

gibolt 5y ago

This is because Tesla has restricted sales while waiting for their Berlin factory to be finished. The Ys being delivered are because red tape slowed them down by ~6 months