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I never realized how bad Google is with their own device support: https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 https://support.google.com/pixelphone/ans

by DanAtC 5y ago

I never realized how bad Google is with their own device support: https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 https://support.google.com/pixelphone/answer/4457705 3 years from the date of release is horrible. My iPhone 6S is coming up on 6 years of OS updates and will get at least 1 more with iOS 15.

kevincox 5y ago
I remember hearing that a large part of this is that Qualcomm doesn't provide security updates for more than this long so they can't really promise anything more since they may be unable to fix CPU-level flaws. That being said it would be nice if they could provide support until a CPU-level vulnerability is found. (Or is there a decent chance that they wouldn't be informed?) On the upside I believe that the Pixel 5 has a Google-"made" SoC so that excuse is gone now. I would love to see a nice long promise of updates. The amount of eWaste generated by a phone every 2 years is awful. For context Apple promises 5 years from the last sale and in practice supports devices even longer https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624
- est31 5y ago
  Qualcomm supplies the entire SoC and this includes drivers and firmware for way more than just the CPU. You can get Lineage OS onto Pixel phones outside of Google's support, but that only includes the OS layer and not the driver/firmware/baseband layer. I don't think Google can change anything about this really. Qualcomm is the only non vertically integrated vendor of SoCs with the wanted features and quality Google needs (apple is vertically integrated). They don't have any buying power towards Qualcomm. In the hardware business, they are a niche provider. 2% market share in North America, world wide even less.
  - depingus 5y ago
    With the Pixel 6 Google is introducing their own SoC called Tensor. https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-tensor-debuts-new-pixel-6-fall/ https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-tensor-debuts-new-...
    - est31 5y ago
      Google said they want to support the phones for 5 years, definitely an improvement. Note that it's not a sole Google product but a collaboration with Samsung, so will likely build on their Exynos IP.

by DanAtC 5y ago

kevincox 5y ago

I remember hearing that a large part of this is that Qualcomm doesn't provide security updates for more than this long so they can't really promise anything more since they may be unable to fix CPU-level flaws. That being said it would be nice if they could provide support until a CPU-level vulnerability is found. (Or is there a decent chance that they wouldn't be informed?) On the upside I believe that the Pixel 5 has a Google-"made" SoC so that excuse is gone now. I would love to see a nice long promise of updates. The amount of eWaste generated by a phone every 2 years is awful. For context Apple promises 5 years from the last sale and in practice supports devices even longer https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624 https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT201624

est31 5y ago
Qualcomm supplies the entire SoC and this includes drivers and firmware for way more than just the CPU. You can get Lineage OS onto Pixel phones outside of Google's support, but that only includes the OS layer and not the driver/firmware/baseband layer. I don't think Google can change anything about this really. Qualcomm is the only non vertically integrated vendor of SoCs with the wanted features and quality Google needs (apple is vertically integrated). They don't have any buying power towards Qualcomm. In the hardware business, they are a niche provider. 2% market share in North America, world wide even less.
- depingus 5y ago
  With the Pixel 6 Google is introducing their own SoC called Tensor. https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-tensor-debuts-new-pixel-6-fall/ https://blog.google/products/pixel/google-tensor-debuts-new-...
  - est31 5y ago
    Google said they want to support the phones for 5 years, definitely an improvement. Note that it's not a sole Google product but a collaboration with Samsung, so will likely build on their Exynos IP.