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You’re mixing two distinct things. Sunlight is the best disinfectant when it comes to freedom of speech, but that does not imply the government should have ful

by mc32 5y ago

You’re mixing two distinct things. Sunlight is the best disinfectant when it comes to freedom of speech, but that does not imply the government should have full access to the communication of individuals and trounce the fourth amendment. Put it this way, if the government wanted to get all comms around antifa, or any other anti gov anti police protests, would that be okay?

JumpCrisscross 5y ago
> Sunlight is the best disinfectant when it comes to freedom of speech, but that does not imply the government should have full access to the communication of individuals and trounce the fourth amendment Congress isn't claiming full access. It's asking Gab to preserve certain information while it goes through due process. You have a right to free speech, and the government has the right to investigate persons who threaten violent insurrection.
- mc32 5y ago
  I think they have a right to ask for specific information on specific individuals via court order but not a dragnet. Remember when Quest was the Only one to buck the Bush admin for access to its logs and everyone else just bent over because mumble terrorism mumble?
  - otterley 5y ago
    The legal discovery process actually is a dragnet. The major operational difference is that discovery is responsive — that is, you turn over the records yourself - vs. a search warrant, where law enforcement comes in and searches everything within its scope.
    - mc32 5y ago
      But this is like there being a rape in town and the police asking all males, no exceptions, to submit a sample of their DNA to clear them. No, thanks!
      - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
        > this is like there being a rape in town and the police asking all males, no exceptions, to submit a sample of their DNA to clear them This is not how discovery works. The closest analogy would be a rape occurring and the police announcing an investigation, requesting anyone with information to come forward and warning anyone against deleting incriminating evidence. The analogy is messy because you're comparing a Congressional inquiry with a criminal investigation.
      - otterley 5y ago
        Discovery isn't used in criminal cases, and no court would grant such a request anyway.
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by mc32 5y ago

JumpCrisscross 5y ago

> Sunlight is the best disinfectant when it comes to freedom of speech, but that does not imply the government should have full access to the communication of individuals and trounce the fourth amendment Congress isn't claiming full access. It's asking Gab to preserve certain information while it goes through due process. You have a right to free speech, and the government has the right to investigate persons who threaten violent insurrection.

mc32 5y ago
I think they have a right to ask for specific information on specific individuals via court order but not a dragnet. Remember when Quest was the Only one to buck the Bush admin for access to its logs and everyone else just bent over because mumble terrorism mumble?
- otterley 5y ago
  The legal discovery process actually is a dragnet. The major operational difference is that discovery is responsive — that is, you turn over the records yourself - vs. a search warrant, where law enforcement comes in and searches everything within its scope.
  - mc32 5y ago
    But this is like there being a rape in town and the police asking all males, no exceptions, to submit a sample of their DNA to clear them. No, thanks!
    - JumpCrisscross 5y ago
      > this is like there being a rape in town and the police asking all males, no exceptions, to submit a sample of their DNA to clear them This is not how discovery works. The closest analogy would be a rape occurring and the police announcing an investigation, requesting anyone with information to come forward and warning anyone against deleting incriminating evidence. The analogy is messy because you're comparing a Congressional inquiry with a criminal investigation.
    - otterley 5y ago
      Discovery isn't used in criminal cases, and no court would grant such a request anyway.
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