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Tesla Model Y became the best-selling vehicle in Norway within a week
- option 5y agowould love to see Tesla and Ford drive the return of American carmakers globally. This time electric :)
- anaganisk 5y agoGlobally? I doubt. The cars that they’re marketing are out of reach for 95% of the population for majority of the countries. In India we have EVs at 5% of the cost of a Tesla. From developing country perspective. Majority if the features of tesla are moot, FSd, luxury etc. All we need is an accelerator to step on and a steering wheel to navigate. Infotainment and seating is mostly choice. For a comparison of price difference look up Tata Nexon EV.
- toomuchtodo 5y agoChange doesn't occur marketing and selling to those with no purchasing power. Consumption by the wealthy and the middle class drives adoption, which drives manufacturing efficiencies, which allows for price declines to increase the total available market.
- anaganisk 5y agoA tesla can’t be afforded even by upper middle class here.
- toomuchtodo 5y agoSure, costs have to be driven down further with scale.
- anaganisk 5y agoI dont know what you think India’s demographic looks like. But you will rarely even find a middle class person buying a 20k USD car. Majority of the population wouldn’t even go above 10k.
- toomuchtodo 5y agoI think India's demographic is very poor compared to the developed world. I believe my top comment communicated this ("Change doesn't occur marketing and selling to those with no purchasing power"). The poor have no purchasing power. EVs may be out of reach to your median Indian for some time. As a rapidly expanding business, you have to go where the revenue and margin is.
- anaganisk 5y agoThats not global at all. Hyundai/Kia are more like Global.
- nebula8804 5y agoAren't most of those people still driving motorcycles? The Tata Nano was a failure because no one has confidence in Indian domestic brands. The Maharaja class love their Mercedes Benz. The goal should be to replace that desire for Benz with Tesla.
- anaganisk 5y agoNo, that wasn’t the case of failure at all. It was marketed as a poor mans car and no body wanted to be labelled an owner of poor mans car. Plus it had many issues. And no, People who can afford card of Maharaja class is just above may be 2-3% of India, not a global brand if I have to pay 50% import duty on the retail, just to own it. And no one has confidence in domestic brands? I suggest you to do a proper research on that. Tata literally owns Jaguar Land rover(Sold by Ford ironically). Mahindra Thar (Indian equivalent of Jeep rubycon) is the most loved and is emerging here among young buyers.i
- option 5y agoIndia will grow economically. Perhaps in 10 to 20 years more people there will afford to drop 30k-60k for a car. Personal anecdote: First I (a SE in SV) could not afford Tesla (roadster) and only celebrities could. Then suddenly I can buy one (Model S). And I just came from vacation in my home country (ex soviet republic) amazed by how many of my friends there are buying Model 3s.
- anaganisk 5y agoWe were supposed to be able to afford that since atleast a decade.
- sremani 5y agoIn America we too have EVs that are 5% cost of Tesla, we call them Golf-Carts. Tesla is one of the minimalist cars, any one calling it 'Luxury' has not either sit in a Tesla or sit in a Luxury car. India today, may not afford the Teslas, but in a decade or so, as one of the few economies projected to grow at a decent clip. Tesla will be at least driven by the rich.
- anaganisk 5y agoTake a look at TATA Nexon EV. Its no golf cart.
- sremani 5y agoIn what world is 13Lakh INR (cost of TATA Nexon EV) which is appx. USD 18K, 5% the cost of Tesla. You can buy a used BoltEV with that money!
- anaganisk 5y agoTesla in India would cost 1.5 crore, it has a 50% import duty on it. Thats 2,05,416 USD. Chevrolet left India after burning itself long ago, so no I cant buy a used blot EV here for that price.
- jsight 5y agoNext month there won't be any shipments and we'll get articles about their epic sales collapse. :)
- Nursie 5y agoDidn’t I read just last week the Mustang Mach E was the bestseller in Norway, and that EVs were now over 80% of the market? https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/03/norway-at-84-7-plugin-ev-share-in-july-mustang-mach-e-bestseller/ https://cleantechnica.com/2021/08/03/norway-at-84-7-plugin-e...
- vlangber 5y agoThat includes PHEV. The August record is pure BEV.
- cure 5y agoAccording to that link, "only" 64.1% for BEV (July 2021). Now, it seems they are at 72% for BEV (August 2021).
- petascale 5y agoMach-E was the bestseller last month, second place this month after the Model Y. The 80% last month were for plugin vehichles including plugin hybrid (64% battery electric, BEV), the 70% now are BEV (about 88% plugin). The numbers change a lot from month to month. Depends on delivery rate (e.g. Tesla does bulk delivery every three months), and there is typically a spike in deliveries when a model starts shipping, since there are months of backorders to work through. New models starting shipping was Mach-E last month and Model Y this month. So it's more useful to look at longer timeframes.
- notafraudster 5y agoSince the article doesn't say, is there an economic reason why EV adoption is so high? More aggressive subsidies for new purchases? Or solely driven by expensive gasoline?
- 0x0 5y agoYou don't have to pay the usual 25% sales tax, and you can drive in bus lanes, and tolls are 0-50% of what normal cars pay
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- tyfon 5y agoThere is no tax on EVs, but a lot of tax on fossils :) You also get some other incentives but they are in the process of being phased out now.
- Zitrax 5y agoJust as an example compared to the neighbour country: The base model Y price in Norway is 534'000 NOK (~52'000€) while in Sweden 719'900 SEK (~70'700€). For non EV cars it's usually the other way round.
- ratsforhorses 5y agoSo are people from Sweden or elsewhere buying them in Norway?
- tyfon 5y agoNo they need to pay taxes when importing so it doesn't quite work that way.
- option 5y agoI am in US where gasoline is way too cheap than it should be. I am still going to buy Model Y (or X) simply because it is a great car (fun to drive, over the air updates, autopilot, etc)
- PragmaticPulp 5y ago> Tesla started deliveries of the Model Y in Europe last month, and within a week it became the best-selling vehicle in Norway. Do deliveries count as sales in the week that the customer receives the car? If so, it’s not surprising that the Tesla model would be the best-selling car when initial deliveries arrived. I’m assuming all of those deliveries were back orders or reservations from long ago.
- queuep 5y agoYes, they all do this. Same with the VW id3 and id4 In Sweden Tesla just sold like 90 or so model 3 in August. While id4 was more like 900 or something
- hjnilsson 5y agoIndeed. This is not really newsworthy. The current best selling cars in Norway are the Skoda Enyaq and the Mustang Mach-E.
- clouddrover 5y agoFor 2021 the best selling BEV in Norway is the Model 3. The best selling BEV manufacturer is Volkswagen (which is VW, Skoda, SEAT, Audi, Porsche, Scania, MAN): https://elbilstatistikk.no/ https://elbilstatistikk.no/
- darkwater 5y agoSadly this EV push by the Norwegian government is paid by oil drillings in the Arctic [1] According to another Guardian article [2] this is the list of incentives paid by the Norwegian state if you buy an EV: - No vehicle purchase tax (a big levy which helps push up the average price for a vehicle in Norway to £43,000-£46,000, compared with an EU average of £26,000-£29,000) - No VAT – usually 25% - Zero road tax - Free parking in some municipal car parks - Reduced tax on company electric cars (at a lower rate than fossil-fuel vehicles) - Reduced or free tolls in some areas - Driving in a bus lane if carrying a passenger - 50% discount on some car parks, tolls and ferry fares [1] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/26/norway-plans-to-drill-for-oil-in-untouched-arctic-areas-svalbard https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2020/aug/26/norway-p.... [2] https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/09/norways-electric-car-drive-belies-national-reliance-on-fossil-fuels https://www.theguardian.com/business/2021/jan/09/norways-ele...
- eplanit 5y agoLeveraging the old model to add momentum to the new model is not sad, at all.
- toomuchtodo 5y agoIt’s ideal even. Better than riding the old model right off the cliff (Saudi Arabia).
- darkwater 5y agoFor Norway, that's sure, I agree. For the whole world, I beg to differ. Money talks, as always, so it's not a big surprise at all.
- martinald 5y agoAdding all that up I imnagine the subsidy per car is probably not far off £50k? Seems pretty insane, you could literally do a 'swap your petrol car for a brand new electric one free of charge' for less money.
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- harikb 5y agoThey sold 55 cars more than the second place Volkswagen in August.
- clouddrover 5y agoNo. Volkswagen's EV sales are VW, Audi, Skoda, SEAT, Porsche, Scania, and MAN combined. Volkswagen owns many automotive brands: https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/brands-and-models.html https://www.volkswagenag.com/en/brands-and-models.html
- hawk_ 5y agoTesla makes/reports quarterly shipments so there are always spikes in the shipment months. For example this has Model 3 in top 10 selling cars in Europe https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2021-june-europe-car-sales-and-market-analysis/ https://www.best-selling-cars.com/europe/2021-june-europe-ca... but if you check may or july, model 3 is no where. Makes me wonder if such promotion is paid for (And I am about to buy a Tesla, so nothing against them, just pointing out apparent tactics)
- tziki 5y agoI'm also considering buying one, but Tesla is behind VW in EV sales in Europe overall, so I'm wondering why this is so upvoted and about the angle here.
- izacus 5y agoIt's most likely upvoted because: - This place is predominately full of Americans which have little knowledge or access to european EVs (like the ones from VAG group). - Tesla is a darling of certain fan techy population and gets a lot of hype and cheerleading from those people - which are also a large chunk of HN population.
- shuckles 5y agoHeck, I rarely hear about the Honda e on here, which might be the most adorable and exciting EV on the market to me! Perhaps a simpler explanation is that this is a tech forum and not a car forum, and Tesla dominates mindshare in car “technology.”
- drcross 5y agoThe Honda-E is too small, has too short range and over priced. Maybe that's the reason.
- dagw 5y agoover priced. How much does the Honda-E cost in the US? Here in Sweden the Honda starts at almost $20k cheaper than the cheapest Tesla Model 3. If I ever end up needing a commuter car, the Honda-E looks perfect.
- roozbeh18 5y agoI was in Norway few years ago and all I saw was Tesla Model S and X. I realized the government gives huge incentive to own one, I’m wondering if this has anything to do with it.
- jansan 5y agoNorway is very gifted with natural resources, especially energy. They can cover their whole eletricity demand by hydropower, but this energy is difficult to export. Not so the oil they produce. So what should they do for maximum profit? Make the locals use electricity instead of fossil fuel by raising fossil fuel tax and providing incentives to purchase EVs. And export all that fossil fuel. For Norway heavily subsidizing EVs makes sense from a purely economic point of view, no green agenda required.
- gamegoblin 5y agoIt can be difficult to export energy, but a way to do it indirectly is to attract lots of energy intensive industry and then export those products. The classic example is aluminum smelting. Norway has comparable aluminum smelting capacity as much larger countries such as Australia or Brazil.
- neogodless 5y agoIt's a bit amusing to see sales numbers in a small country. A bit over 1000 Tesla Model Y's were sold, and it's big news. Tesla is selling maybe 14-15,000 Model Y per month in the U.S., which puts it roughly in the 20 to 25th most sold model. It's comparable to the ICE-only Mazda CX-5. https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-by-model/ https://www.goodcarbadcar.net/2021-us-vehicle-sales-figures-... (A lot of models do not yet have July/August numbers.) Of course, in the U.S., the top 3 selling models in June were Silverado, Ram and F-Series, adding up to about 155,000 vehicles that month.
- gspr 5y agoThe big news obviously lies in the percentages. 5 million people is a small market, but not small enough that these market shares are statistical anomalies.
- LysPJ 5y agoAgreed. The adoption rate is even higher in Oslo. I've seen some residential streets where 80% of the parked vehicles are EVs.
- drcross 5y agoIf you're only amused by this you're failing to see that when Tesla are less supply constrained (with the opening of two further factories this year) that they will go on to sell significantly more.
- neogodless 5y agoObviously the incentives and taste in vehicles differs between Norway and the U.S. What's clear is that Ford and likely Tesla would do very well to produce capable EV pick-up trucks in high quantities. So far, Ford's plans for production are quite low - less than 20,000 planned for 2022.
- ericmay 5y agoYea but keep in mind two things: A Model Y costs significantly more than a Mazda CX-5. Tesla is dealing with supply constraints (sure others are too). Model Y long range is estimated delivery in January.
- huhtenberg 5y agoIt probably helped that the steering wheel in Y isn't a rectangle. I'm really curious to see S and X sales (and cancellations!) numbers once 2021 models will start to ship en masse. Both come with the yoke and there's no other option.
- GordonS 5y agoI was looking at perhaps buying a Model X in the UK, but having that ridiculous yoke forced me is a complete deal-breaker. Who the hell even thought this was a good idea? It could only have been conceived by someone who has never driven before!
- PinguTS 5y agoMaybe I am ignorant, but researching the numbers leads to completely inconsistent results. * Electrek reports 1115 Model Y (according to registration data) – Where can I find the source? * Teslerati[1] reports 1115 Model Y with reference to some Tweet * Electrive[2] report 1308 Model Y with reference to EU EV * EU EV[3] report 1308 Model Y without reference * [4] Norway official registration statistics reports 0 Model Y, while the best selling for the Month of August was Ford Mach E with 907 [1] https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-dominate-norway-august-sales/ https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-model-y-dominate-norway-augu... [2] https://www.electrive.com/2021/09/02/norway-marks-11811-new-ev-registrations-in-august/ https://www.electrive.com/2021/09/02/norway-marks-11811-new-... [3] https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/NO/Brands/Month/2021/8 https://eu-evs.com/bestSellers/NO/Brands/Month/2021/8 [4] https://ofv.no/registreringsstatistikk https://ofv.no/registreringsstatistikk