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==If Helsinki companies paid like those in Zurich and had similarly low taxes, there would be no problem retaining or importing talent.== Isn't Switzerland fam

==If Helsinki companies paid like those in Zurich and had similarly low taxes, there would be no problem retaining or importing talent.== Isn't Switzerland famously difficult to immigrate to?

ThePadawan 5y ago
They'll happily have you as a (non-voting but tax paying) foreign resident. The difficult(-ish) part is becoming a Swiss national. (I am a Foreign Resident living in Zurich for more than 10 years)
- wreath 5y ago
  Still better than Germany where you are a high tax paying and non-voting immigrant resident (not even local elections if you are not from EU)
  - ThePadawan 5y ago
    > (not even local elections if you are not from EU) That's more progressive than Switzerland (but it varies by canton). No Swiss passport? No vote for you.
  - universa1 5y ago
    Usually if you have payed taxes for 5 years you can get the German citizenship with all it's benefits, iirc.
    - wreath 5y ago
      You dont get the German citizenship but you become eligible to apply for one. Thats it.
908B64B197 5y ago
Not if you are qualified and capable of contributing to society.
- panchoop 5y ago
  It strongly depends in nationality, and in this last year they have made rules more strict. If you are European and have good skill-sets, you are welcome. But if you are not European, you have to be special enough such for the company hiring you to be able to justify that there is no-one else in the EU that can do the job you are applying to. This is not "just in paper". Some weeks ago I got a job offer widrawn from a company in Zürich because of this reason; me being a PhD in Applied Mathematics (granted by the ETH Zürich) but with a non-EU nationality.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    They need better lawyers. Alternatively, have you considered just getting an O-1?
    - long_time_gone 5y ago
      Either way, we can agree it isn't just based on qualifications and contribution to society as initially claimed.
    - panchoop 5y ago
      They told me that they consulted with two "inmigration agencies" (I did not even knew that there existed such a thing), I would guess that they are experts in these issues. My main weak point of entry is that I was applying to a consulting job in Data Science, and as such, it is not really possible to argue that there is no-one else left in the EU to take the job. Having a degree from the ETH indeed helps, but it wasn't enough. They have enforced quotas per canton, which means that once filled, no-one else is getting in. Furthermore, Swiss bureacracy is the most strict one I have seen in my life, so there is no much wiggle room to bend the rules.

==If Helsinki companies paid like those in Zurich and had similarly low taxes, there would be no problem retaining or importing talent.== Isn't Switzerland famously difficult to immigrate to?

ThePadawan 5y ago

They'll happily have you as a (non-voting but tax paying) foreign resident. The difficult(-ish) part is becoming a Swiss national. (I am a Foreign Resident living in Zurich for more than 10 years)

wreath 5y ago
Still better than Germany where you are a high tax paying and non-voting immigrant resident (not even local elections if you are not from EU)
- ThePadawan 5y ago
  > (not even local elections if you are not from EU) That's more progressive than Switzerland (but it varies by canton). No Swiss passport? No vote for you.
- universa1 5y ago
  Usually if you have payed taxes for 5 years you can get the German citizenship with all it's benefits, iirc.
  - wreath 5y ago
    You dont get the German citizenship but you become eligible to apply for one. Thats it.

908B64B197 5y ago

Not if you are qualified and capable of contributing to society.

panchoop 5y ago
It strongly depends in nationality, and in this last year they have made rules more strict. If you are European and have good skill-sets, you are welcome. But if you are not European, you have to be special enough such for the company hiring you to be able to justify that there is no-one else in the EU that can do the job you are applying to. This is not "just in paper". Some weeks ago I got a job offer widrawn from a company in Zürich because of this reason; me being a PhD in Applied Mathematics (granted by the ETH Zürich) but with a non-EU nationality.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  They need better lawyers. Alternatively, have you considered just getting an O-1?
  - long_time_gone 5y ago
    Either way, we can agree it isn't just based on qualifications and contribution to society as initially claimed.
  - panchoop 5y ago
    They told me that they consulted with two "inmigration agencies" (I did not even knew that there existed such a thing), I would guess that they are experts in these issues. My main weak point of entry is that I was applying to a consulting job in Data Science, and as such, it is not really possible to argue that there is no-one else left in the EU to take the job. Having a degree from the ETH indeed helps, but it wasn't enough. They have enforced quotas per canton, which means that once filled, no-one else is getting in. Furthermore, Swiss bureacracy is the most strict one I have seen in my life, so there is no much wiggle room to bend the rules.