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Seconded. They are stunning photos if genuine.

flapjaxy 5y ago
Any reason why you think they might not be? On a side note, other than the deception, if these are "fake" current photos that's still be interesting.
- InitialLastName 5y ago
  The photos could simply be misattributed in terms of date (Bedouins in various places had this sort of lifestyle well into the 20th century, AIUI). Maybe someone who knows more about historical firearms than me can confirm whether the guns and ammo belts (which are the most visible bits of industrial technology) in the photos are viable for late 19th C.
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- polalavik 5y ago
  These are crazy high quality it makes it reallyy questionable. I just looked up photos from 1900 on getty images and there's a graininess to them and a distinct quality to them. But I'm no photograph expert.
  - blululu 5y ago
    The photographic technique matters for image quality. You may have been looking at autochrome prints which used potato starch grains and typically had a long exposure time and a bit of a pointillist effect. For reference here is a collection of 110 year old autochromes of Paris: https://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/01/31/behold-the-magnificence-of-these-early-1900s-autochromes-from-paris-france/ https://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/01/31/behold-the-magni... In contrast the 120 year old three channel photos of Sergei Prokudin-Gorsky from Tsarist Russia look like they were taken yesterday. https://www.loc.gov/collections/prokudin-gorskii/about-this-collection/ https://www.loc.gov/collections/prokudin-gorskii/about-this-...
  - ruined 5y ago
    some of these photos look like they were taken with a field camera on plates, a technique that can achieve higher resolution than modern consumer digital cameras. you may be looking at some smaller format for your examples. most people have never seen a real photography exhibition and don't realize the extreme detail and depth that can be achieved with analog photography, and has been possible for over a hundred years. consumer cameras are oriented to convenience, but film is so much more powerful than the toy cameras you might remember from when you were a kid.
    - cardiffspaceman 5y ago
      In my family we had a book made at an unusual, large, awkward size. The book was essentially a photo album and the pages essentially contact prints from large glass plates. The subject was the construction of the Central Pacific and Union Pacific railroads to form the first transcontinental railroad in the US. In one picture, a very large wooden trestle bridge had just been completed, and the builders were all over it, if you could find them. The exposure time was long enough to turn the rapids of the river below feathery. The photographer kept the camera and his supplies in a horse-drawn wagon, which was also the darkroom.
peterburkimsher 5y ago
Let's take a closer look at the photos with annotations. "American colony, Jerusalem" https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-63S7WQRnp8k/XqHIqQjNkZI/AAAAAAAAWbA/jbAqU9Yk4IAw8Iiar1KkzLq--aRCiDdXQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/old_photos_Bedouin%2B%25286%2529.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-63S7WQRnp8k/XqHIqQjNkZI/AAAAAAAAW... The "American colony, Jerusalem" only existed from 1881-late 1940s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colony,_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colony,_Jerusalem 60. Bedouin mother and baby https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FlxLhh3aAJI/XqHInAmrTcI/AAAAAAAAWag/K2KnwJ_H_kYaQZ2kGlsvnBCa2-wYYweJACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/old_photos_Bedouin%2B%252817%2529.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FlxLhh3aAJI/XqHInAmrTcI/AAAAAAAAW... From the side of the picture, it looks like it's on film. Was it possible to have a film camera in 1889? Yes, barely. "The use of photographic film was pioneered by George Eastman, who started manufacturing paper film in 1885 before switching to celluloid in 1889. His first camera, which he called the "Kodak," was first offered for sale in 1888." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_camera#Early_photographic_camera_(18th%E2%80%9319th_centuries) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_camera#Early_ph... 109. Bedouin sweethearts https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gdxkp8n0lnc/XqHI34__C_I/AAAAAAAAWbg/wPJtC73llOgjJAz0woDHyLrCCh28pKV7wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/old_photos_Bedouin%2B%252825%2529.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gdxkp8n0lnc/XqHI34__C_I/AAAAAAAAW... The number 109 (sweethearts) is much higher than 60 (mother and child). That implies that there were many more worse photos that were not selected for uploading. Far more recently, in 1937, my grandpa went on a cycling trip through Germany, Austria, and Italy, then back to the UK. My mum made a photo website about it, including links to some hotels that are still operating. http://drmarionb.free.fr/1937CyclingTour/ http://drmarionb.free.fr/1937CyclingTour/ He had been inspired by another book, Blue Skies and Good Companions. There's an archive of that available: https://wdc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/cycling/id/1733/rec/64 https://wdc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/cycling/id... My mum then wrote an article about it for the CTC cycling magazine in the UK, and it was published in the Feb/Mar 2021 issue, page 47-49. (paywall, free registration required to view) https://www.cyclinguk.org/publication/cycle-magazine-februarymarch-2021 https://www.cyclinguk.org/publication/cycle-magazine-februar... Some of these photos look amazing when colourised using DeOldify, via MyHeritage.

Any reason why you think they might not be? On a side note, other than the deception, if these are "fake" current photos that's still be interesting.

InitialLastName 5y ago
The photos could simply be misattributed in terms of date (Bedouins in various places had this sort of lifestyle well into the 20th century, AIUI). Maybe someone who knows more about historical firearms than me can confirm whether the guns and ammo belts (which are the most visible bits of industrial technology) in the photos are viable for late 19th C.
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polalavik 5y ago
These are crazy high quality it makes it reallyy questionable. I just looked up photos from 1900 on getty images and there's a graininess to them and a distinct quality to them. But I'm no photograph expert.
- blululu 5y ago
  The photographic technique matters for image quality. You may have been looking at autochrome prints which used potato starch grains and typically had a long exposure time and a bit of a pointillist effect. For reference here is a collection of 110 year old autochromes of Paris: https://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/01/31/behold-the-magnificence-of-these-early-1900s-autochromes-from-paris-france/ https://www.thephoblographer.com/2013/01/31/behold-the-magni... In contrast the 120 year old three channel photos of Sergei Prokudin-Gorsky from Tsarist Russia look like they were taken yesterday. https://www.loc.gov/collections/prokudin-gorskii/about-this-collection/ https://www.loc.gov/collections/prokudin-gorskii/about-this-...
- ruined 5y ago
  some of these photos look like they were taken with a field camera on plates, a technique that can achieve higher resolution than modern consumer digital cameras. you may be looking at some smaller format for your examples. most people have never seen a real photography exhibition and don't realize the extreme detail and depth that can be achieved with analog photography, and has been possible for over a hundred years. consumer cameras are oriented to convenience, but film is so much more powerful than the toy cameras you might remember from when you were a kid.
  - cardiffspaceman 5y ago
    In my family we had a book made at an unusual, large, awkward size. The book was essentially a photo album and the pages essentially contact prints from large glass plates. The subject was the construction of the Central Pacific and Union Pacific railroads to form the first transcontinental railroad in the US. In one picture, a very large wooden trestle bridge had just been completed, and the builders were all over it, if you could find them. The exposure time was long enough to turn the rapids of the river below feathery. The photographer kept the camera and his supplies in a horse-drawn wagon, which was also the darkroom.

peterburkimsher 5y ago

Let's take a closer look at the photos with annotations. "American colony, Jerusalem" https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-63S7WQRnp8k/XqHIqQjNkZI/AAAAAAAAWbA/jbAqU9Yk4IAw8Iiar1KkzLq--aRCiDdXQCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/old_photos_Bedouin%2B%25286%2529.jpg https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-63S7WQRnp8k/XqHIqQjNkZI/AAAAAAAAW... The "American colony, Jerusalem" only existed from 1881-late 1940s. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colony,_Jerusalem https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Colony,_Jerusalem 60. Bedouin mother and baby https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FlxLhh3aAJI/XqHInAmrTcI/AAAAAAAAWag/K2KnwJ_H_kYaQZ2kGlsvnBCa2-wYYweJACLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/old_photos_Bedouin%2B%252817%2529.jpg https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-FlxLhh3aAJI/XqHInAmrTcI/AAAAAAAAW... From the side of the picture, it looks like it's on film. Was it possible to have a film camera in 1889? Yes, barely. "The use of photographic film was pioneered by George Eastman, who started manufacturing paper film in 1885 before switching to celluloid in 1889. His first camera, which he called the "Kodak," was first offered for sale in 1888." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_camera#Early_photographic_camera_(18th%E2%80%9319th_centuries) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_camera#Early_ph... 109. Bedouin sweethearts https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gdxkp8n0lnc/XqHI34__C_I/AAAAAAAAWbg/wPJtC73llOgjJAz0woDHyLrCCh28pKV7wCLcBGAsYHQ/s1600/old_photos_Bedouin%2B%252825%2529.jpg https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gdxkp8n0lnc/XqHI34__C_I/AAAAAAAAW... The number 109 (sweethearts) is much higher than 60 (mother and child). That implies that there were many more worse photos that were not selected for uploading. Far more recently, in 1937, my grandpa went on a cycling trip through Germany, Austria, and Italy, then back to the UK. My mum made a photo website about it, including links to some hotels that are still operating. http://drmarionb.free.fr/1937CyclingTour/ http://drmarionb.free.fr/1937CyclingTour/ He had been inspired by another book, Blue Skies and Good Companions. There's an archive of that available: https://wdc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/cycling/id/1733/rec/64 https://wdc.contentdm.oclc.org/digital/collection/cycling/id... My mum then wrote an article about it for the CTC cycling magazine in the UK, and it was published in the Feb/Mar 2021 issue, page 47-49. (paywall, free registration required to view) https://www.cyclinguk.org/publication/cycle-magazine-februarymarch-2021 https://www.cyclinguk.org/publication/cycle-magazine-februar... Some of these photos look amazing when colourised using DeOldify, via MyHeritage.