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Wait until you find out it was designed that way, and the whole thing is actually just a tariff on service imports to the EU in disguise.

a3w 5y ago
No.
tgv 5y ago
"Give up your privacy and let Zuckerberg earn even more money!"
- AmericanChopper 5y ago
  Money is the only thing the law is about, not privacy. Even if you disagree with my opinion that it was designed to be this way, there’s not really an argument to be made against the suggestion that all it’s accomplished is periodically fining foreign service providers (plenty of fines to EU businesses too, but there has never been and will never a large one). If it was designed to protect privacy, it is very clearly failing to achieve that objective.
  - wnkrshm 5y ago
    So if it isn't perfect, it isn't worth doing it at all? Is it better not to have GDPR and just let them not even get fined? I agree that fines are basically the only effect it had - but that does not mean it isn't a step into the right direction. I agree that it could be more effective and I would welcome more effective policy in regard to data collection/processing and its transparency.
  - detaro 5y ago
    I've seen plenty businesses make policy changes based on it, and you don't get to declare that somehow that isn't an argument that's allowed to be made. (And these businesses avoid getting fined and making headlines, silence in that sense isn't a sign of failure of regulation)
  - madia_leva 5y ago
    We only fine those companies who break the law. Most of them don't break it.
madia_leva 5y ago
You are very wrong. The EU is the only big power defending data privacy and fighting to protect the little rights user still have. It helps, of course, that they don't have domestic internet mammoths putting money in their pockets to get away with whatever they want (USA) or a state sponsored big brother / AI yoke programme that depends on data being collected from all around the world (China _and_ USA). If anything, the EU is trying to prevent external (and increasingly hostile) powers to use EU citizens data for gain or plain aggression (Cambridge Analytica & Brexit, for example).
- AmericanChopper 5y ago
  > The EU is the only big power defending data privacy Well that’s the political pitch. But there’s not a shred of actual evidence to support the claim that the EU cares about privacy at all. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/orders-top-eus-timetable-dismantling-end-end-encryption https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/orders-top-eus-timetab... https://www.ejiltalk.org/a-dangerous-convergence-the-inevitability-of-mass-surveillance-in-european-jurisprudence/ https://www.ejiltalk.org/a-dangerous-convergence-the-inevita... The only thing it regulates is industries that the EU has failed to become competitive in.
  - rhn_mk1 5y ago
    The shred of evidence is that GDPR applies to EU-based services just the same.
    - AmericanChopper 5y ago
      If privacy were important, then protecting citizens from having the government violate it would be important. Protecting citizens from having governments share the findings of their violations with each other would be important. But instead you have administration that wants to ban encryption and increase surveillance as much as possible. The idea that the EU cares about privacy has no credibility at all.
      - 5y ago

a3w 5y ago

No.

tgv 5y ago

"Give up your privacy and let Zuckerberg earn even more money!"

AmericanChopper 5y ago
Money is the only thing the law is about, not privacy. Even if you disagree with my opinion that it was designed to be this way, there’s not really an argument to be made against the suggestion that all it’s accomplished is periodically fining foreign service providers (plenty of fines to EU businesses too, but there has never been and will never a large one). If it was designed to protect privacy, it is very clearly failing to achieve that objective.
- wnkrshm 5y ago
  So if it isn't perfect, it isn't worth doing it at all? Is it better not to have GDPR and just let them not even get fined? I agree that fines are basically the only effect it had - but that does not mean it isn't a step into the right direction. I agree that it could be more effective and I would welcome more effective policy in regard to data collection/processing and its transparency.
- detaro 5y ago
  I've seen plenty businesses make policy changes based on it, and you don't get to declare that somehow that isn't an argument that's allowed to be made. (And these businesses avoid getting fined and making headlines, silence in that sense isn't a sign of failure of regulation)
- madia_leva 5y ago
  We only fine those companies who break the law. Most of them don't break it.

madia_leva 5y ago

You are very wrong. The EU is the only big power defending data privacy and fighting to protect the little rights user still have. It helps, of course, that they don't have domestic internet mammoths putting money in their pockets to get away with whatever they want (USA) or a state sponsored big brother / AI yoke programme that depends on data being collected from all around the world (China _and_ USA). If anything, the EU is trying to prevent external (and increasingly hostile) powers to use EU citizens data for gain or plain aggression (Cambridge Analytica & Brexit, for example).

AmericanChopper 5y ago
> The EU is the only big power defending data privacy Well that’s the political pitch. But there’s not a shred of actual evidence to support the claim that the EU cares about privacy at all. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/orders-top-eus-timetable-dismantling-end-end-encryption https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/10/orders-top-eus-timetab... https://www.ejiltalk.org/a-dangerous-convergence-the-inevitability-of-mass-surveillance-in-european-jurisprudence/ https://www.ejiltalk.org/a-dangerous-convergence-the-inevita... The only thing it regulates is industries that the EU has failed to become competitive in.
- rhn_mk1 5y ago
  The shred of evidence is that GDPR applies to EU-based services just the same.
  - AmericanChopper 5y ago
    If privacy were important, then protecting citizens from having the government violate it would be important. Protecting citizens from having governments share the findings of their violations with each other would be important. But instead you have administration that wants to ban encryption and increase surveillance as much as possible. The idea that the EU cares about privacy has no credibility at all.
    - 5y ago