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Undetweetable saves the tweets that you delete, and publishes them

43 points by blhack 15y ago

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- jamesteow 15y ago
  I think the idea is opening the discussion for privacy concerns? I don't think you want to see your own but maybe someone famous. How many times have we read about someone saying something outrageous on Twitter and then deleting their Tweets after controversy?
  - hirenj 15y ago
    I was reading up on the latest (?) one of these this morning. http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/aug/02/dragons-den-blackmail-threats-twitter http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/aug/02/dragons-d... I assume there's some kind of legal precedent that when at least one person has seen a threat that you're making, it's a valid threat? If you have no followers, make a threat, delete the tweet (that is archived by this site), would you still be held to have made the threat?
Macha 15y ago
Serious question: > Q. Can I request to have a tweet or myself removed from Undetweetable? A. You can request it, but it won't happen. Is this not copyright infringement? The irrevocable term in Twitter's TOS is not passed on to random sites using the API to the best of my knowledge.
- andrewpi 15y ago
  This very well seems like copyright infringement. They also don't post a DMCA contact.
- timf 15y ago
  You're assuming you have copyright on your tweets which is unlikely as this essay lays out: http://www.canyoucopyrightatweet.com/ http://www.canyoucopyrightatweet.com/
  - Cushman 15y ago
    That essay points out plainly that some, just not most, tweets are possibly copyrightable. Your parent's point stands.
    - timf 15y ago
      I think it says that it's highly theoretical there would be one that is copyrightable (and that you would need to register copyright on a tweet before being able to take action). My point was that therefore it's unlikely you'd consider what they're doing copyright infringement, but sure it's "possible". Unethical is another question entirely :-)
- jshort 15y ago
  Is this not similar to how some media report about an event and include a tweet that has been since deleted. This just being done on a much broader scale.
- Pointsly 15y ago
  It's in the public domain... it's open for grabs.
Construct 15y ago
Warning: Don't enter your own twitter handle unless you want it permanently added to their archive. I entered my own twitter handle to see what (if anything) would come up. Instead, I was greeted with a message that my handle was not yet in their database, but it would now be added to their list because I entered it. Great.
- goodside 15y ago
  Meta-warning: Don't rely on your ability to keep a low profile to keep you out of trouble. Having your name on this list shouldn't bother you at all. These are some of the nicest people that have ever spied on you.
  - danso 15y ago
    Right...people should just start to assume that anything they ever post on the Internet will be publicly findable for the rest of the Internet's existence. 15 years ago, you could've written a local newspaper column espousing the most radical of views and felt relatively comfortable that once you moved to a different state that no future employer would ever associate those words to your name. Not anymore. Hell, that's even true for people hundreds of years ago, now that Google has digitized old newspaper collections. Same with photos. Posting a photo devoid of any caption or metadata may seem anonymous now...but five years from now, there will probably be the search capacity for anyone to efficiently and accurately search by facial-features and stumble across that random photo. There's already services that mirror twitter feeds and scrape blogs, reposting them for any number of reasons, even just for filling a spam blog. So, this undetweetable just makes such exposure more explicit.
    - spc476 15y ago
      Um, I've worked under that assumption since I started using the Internet in 1991. I've found USENET posts I made 15 years ago on Google. Don't want something public? Then don't put it on the public Internet.
      - 15y ago
ebzlo 15y ago
Cool a collection of twitter double posts. Seriously, who deletes tweets? I don't even look at people's history of tweets.
jesickala 15y ago
I liked the what Dean Terry- wrote on his blog: "over the last couple of months is that I thought very carefully about deleting a tweet, which in turn made pressing send when composing one less casual than before. Everything felt more permanent. I’ve always wanted to create something that made people feel more tension when hitting “send” on a social network." We are a bit too trigger happy when it comes to socializing on the net. The air we breathe doesn't remember our spoken words but the internet does. Be careful.
- Dysiode 15y ago
  I find myself automatically making judgment calls on my own thoughts, especially on G+ where it's easy to make things no longer public. In general, however, I've just posted everything publicly. If I have something controversial to say then in general I'm prepared (and often do in the post itself) to justify it rationally. Maybe I'm simply being naive :< I wonder how the generation that grows up with semi-immutable thoughts will learn to self-censor (for good or bad).
kuahyeow 15y ago
This is probably a violation of the Twitter API ToS, i.e. "For example, your Service should execute the unfavorite and delete actions by removing all relevant messaging and Twitter Content, not by publicly displaying to other end users that the Tweet was unfavorited or deleted."
- tricolon 15y ago
  API ToSes never stopped anyone determined enough; they could easily use scrapers.
  - kuahyeow 15y ago
    I think Twitter has more resources at hand to block. On a less technical note, this web-site is probably too focused on a negative issue, unlike say Wayback Machine which is general archiving. It not only violates the letter of the ToS but the spirit of how Twitter and its users work. I expect it to be taken down by Twitter soon
    - tricolon 15y ago
      How would it be "taken down" by Twitter soon? I've had to deal with scrapers before, and in the end I just gave up.
geuis 15y ago
Hmm so there's no way to delete my name once its added? On the plus side, I don't think this service will be running for long.
danso 15y ago
Doesn't Twitter's TOS forbid the archiving of tweets to provide to users at a later date? I thought that's why Twapper Keeper died: http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/the-end-of-twapperkeeper-and-what-to-do-about-it/31582 http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/the-end-of-twapperkeep...
emp 15y ago
Seems that they don't believe in their own product. Entering anyone on their contact list shows "We had a problem adding @... to our database".
- Cushman 15y ago
  FYI that seems to be happening for every username now. Probably not a feature.
jambo 15y ago
Tom Scott's Tweleted demonstrated this a couple years ago, back when Twitter search.twitter.com showed deleted tweets. Knowing that it doesn't erase history, I still routinely delete inconsequential tweets, particularly @replies, to make my public twitter timeline page more representative of what someone who follows me will see.
ams6110 15y ago
Yet further proof... what happens on the internet, stays on the internet. If you don't want your grandchildren reading it someday, don't post it.
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blhack 15y ago
Now hold on a second. A lot of people in this thread are saying things like "well if you didn't want it on the internet, you shouldn't have put it there!" A lot of this isn't people that intentionally published things, and have now changed their mind, or want it to be removed from the stormcloud. A lot of this is people who mistakenly posted things to their feed, then deleted it after realizing their mistake. Take this example: http://www.reddit.com/r/somethingimade/comments/j6c7y/i_made_a_website_that_collects_deleted_tweets/ http://www.reddit.com/r/somethingimade/comments/j6c7y/i_made... The author is bragging about catching somebody accidentally posting a private phone number to twitter; this "service" undoubtedly resulted in harassment for the victim of the accident. (In this case, it was one hip hop artist meaning to direct message another, but accidentally making the post public). People try to draw real-world analogs to this stuff. The reality is that there aren't any. If I forget to close my blinds, my neighbor might see me jumping out of the shower. My neighbor. Not the billion+ people on the internet.
tlrobinson 15y ago
Twitter banning them in 3... 2... 1...
Pointsly 15y ago
Wow - whoever made this is ridiculous... i kinda don't like this stuff... just doesn't feel 'good' - anyone get what I'm saying?
joshfraser 15y ago
This is definitely against TOS.
tonywebster 15y ago
Bradley Griffith, creator of Undetweetable: "Just got a cease and desist from twitter for undetweetable.com #legit" https://twitter.com/bradleygriffith/status/98639491778088960 https://twitter.com/bradleygriffith/status/98639491778088960

43 points by blhack 15y ago

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jamesteow 15y ago
I think the idea is opening the discussion for privacy concerns? I don't think you want to see your own but maybe someone famous. How many times have we read about someone saying something outrageous on Twitter and then deleting their Tweets after controversy?
- hirenj 15y ago
  I was reading up on the latest (?) one of these this morning. http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/aug/02/dragons-den-blackmail-threats-twitter http://www.guardian.co.uk/tv-and-radio/2011/aug/02/dragons-d... I assume there's some kind of legal precedent that when at least one person has seen a threat that you're making, it's a valid threat? If you have no followers, make a threat, delete the tweet (that is archived by this site), would you still be held to have made the threat?

Macha 15y ago

Serious question: > Q. Can I request to have a tweet or myself removed from Undetweetable? A. You can request it, but it won't happen. Is this not copyright infringement? The irrevocable term in Twitter's TOS is not passed on to random sites using the API to the best of my knowledge.

andrewpi 15y ago
This very well seems like copyright infringement. They also don't post a DMCA contact.
timf 15y ago
You're assuming you have copyright on your tweets which is unlikely as this essay lays out: http://www.canyoucopyrightatweet.com/ http://www.canyoucopyrightatweet.com/
- Cushman 15y ago
  That essay points out plainly that some, just not most, tweets are possibly copyrightable. Your parent's point stands.
  - timf 15y ago
    I think it says that it's highly theoretical there would be one that is copyrightable (and that you would need to register copyright on a tweet before being able to take action). My point was that therefore it's unlikely you'd consider what they're doing copyright infringement, but sure it's "possible". Unethical is another question entirely :-)
jshort 15y ago
Is this not similar to how some media report about an event and include a tweet that has been since deleted. This just being done on a much broader scale.
Pointsly 15y ago
It's in the public domain... it's open for grabs.

Construct 15y ago

Warning: Don't enter your own twitter handle unless you want it permanently added to their archive. I entered my own twitter handle to see what (if anything) would come up. Instead, I was greeted with a message that my handle was not yet in their database, but it would now be added to their list because I entered it. Great.

goodside 15y ago
Meta-warning: Don't rely on your ability to keep a low profile to keep you out of trouble. Having your name on this list shouldn't bother you at all. These are some of the nicest people that have ever spied on you.
- danso 15y ago
  Right...people should just start to assume that anything they ever post on the Internet will be publicly findable for the rest of the Internet's existence. 15 years ago, you could've written a local newspaper column espousing the most radical of views and felt relatively comfortable that once you moved to a different state that no future employer would ever associate those words to your name. Not anymore. Hell, that's even true for people hundreds of years ago, now that Google has digitized old newspaper collections. Same with photos. Posting a photo devoid of any caption or metadata may seem anonymous now...but five years from now, there will probably be the search capacity for anyone to efficiently and accurately search by facial-features and stumble across that random photo. There's already services that mirror twitter feeds and scrape blogs, reposting them for any number of reasons, even just for filling a spam blog. So, this undetweetable just makes such exposure more explicit.
  - spc476 15y ago
    Um, I've worked under that assumption since I started using the Internet in 1991. I've found USENET posts I made 15 years ago on Google. Don't want something public? Then don't put it on the public Internet.
    - 15y ago

ebzlo 15y ago

Cool a collection of twitter double posts. Seriously, who deletes tweets? I don't even look at people's history of tweets.

jesickala 15y ago

I liked the what Dean Terry- wrote on his blog: "over the last couple of months is that I thought very carefully about deleting a tweet, which in turn made pressing send when composing one less casual than before. Everything felt more permanent. I’ve always wanted to create something that made people feel more tension when hitting “send” on a social network." We are a bit too trigger happy when it comes to socializing on the net. The air we breathe doesn't remember our spoken words but the internet does. Be careful.

Dysiode 15y ago
I find myself automatically making judgment calls on my own thoughts, especially on G+ where it's easy to make things no longer public. In general, however, I've just posted everything publicly. If I have something controversial to say then in general I'm prepared (and often do in the post itself) to justify it rationally. Maybe I'm simply being naive :< I wonder how the generation that grows up with semi-immutable thoughts will learn to self-censor (for good or bad).

kuahyeow 15y ago

This is probably a violation of the Twitter API ToS, i.e. "For example, your Service should execute the unfavorite and delete actions by removing all relevant messaging and Twitter Content, not by publicly displaying to other end users that the Tweet was unfavorited or deleted."

tricolon 15y ago
API ToSes never stopped anyone determined enough; they could easily use scrapers.
- kuahyeow 15y ago
  I think Twitter has more resources at hand to block. On a less technical note, this web-site is probably too focused on a negative issue, unlike say Wayback Machine which is general archiving. It not only violates the letter of the ToS but the spirit of how Twitter and its users work. I expect it to be taken down by Twitter soon
  - tricolon 15y ago
    How would it be "taken down" by Twitter soon? I've had to deal with scrapers before, and in the end I just gave up.

geuis 15y ago

Hmm so there's no way to delete my name once its added? On the plus side, I don't think this service will be running for long.

danso 15y ago

Doesn't Twitter's TOS forbid the archiving of tweets to provide to users at a later date? I thought that's why Twapper Keeper died: http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/the-end-of-twapperkeeper-and-what-to-do-about-it/31582 http://chronicle.com/blogs/profhacker/the-end-of-twapperkeep...

emp 15y ago

Seems that they don't believe in their own product. Entering anyone on their contact list shows "We had a problem adding @... to our database".

Cushman 15y ago
FYI that seems to be happening for every username now. Probably not a feature.

jambo 15y ago

Tom Scott's Tweleted demonstrated this a couple years ago, back when Twitter search.twitter.com showed deleted tweets. Knowing that it doesn't erase history, I still routinely delete inconsequential tweets, particularly @replies, to make my public twitter timeline page more representative of what someone who follows me will see.

ams6110 15y ago

Yet further proof... what happens on the internet, stays on the internet. If you don't want your grandchildren reading it someday, don't post it.

deleted 15y ago

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blhack 15y ago

Now hold on a second. A lot of people in this thread are saying things like "well if you didn't want it on the internet, you shouldn't have put it there!" A lot of this isn't people that intentionally published things, and have now changed their mind, or want it to be removed from the stormcloud. A lot of this is people who mistakenly posted things to their feed, then deleted it after realizing their mistake. Take this example: http://www.reddit.com/r/somethingimade/comments/j6c7y/i_made_a_website_that_collects_deleted_tweets/ http://www.reddit.com/r/somethingimade/comments/j6c7y/i_made... The author is bragging about catching somebody accidentally posting a private phone number to twitter; this "service" undoubtedly resulted in harassment for the victim of the accident. (In this case, it was one hip hop artist meaning to direct message another, but accidentally making the post public). People try to draw real-world analogs to this stuff. The reality is that there aren't any. If I forget to close my blinds, my neighbor might see me jumping out of the shower. My neighbor. Not the billion+ people on the internet.

tlrobinson 15y ago

Twitter banning them in 3... 2... 1...

Pointsly 15y ago

Wow - whoever made this is ridiculous... i kinda don't like this stuff... just doesn't feel 'good' - anyone get what I'm saying?

joshfraser 15y ago

This is definitely against TOS.

tonywebster 15y ago

Bradley Griffith, creator of Undetweetable: "Just got a cease and desist from twitter for undetweetable.com #legit" https://twitter.com/bradleygriffith/status/98639491778088960 https://twitter.com/bradleygriffith/status/98639491778088960