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By your logic you'd by fine with your phone provider handing over all call logs and recordings to the govt too along with full browsing history, location data..

By your logic you'd by fine with your phone provider handing over all call logs and recordings to the govt too along with full browsing history, location data... you know... since they already have the data.

Mindwipe 5y ago
> By your logic you'd by fine with your phone provider handing over all call logs and recordings to the govt too along with full browsing history, location data... you know... since they already have the data. In the UK all phone providers are required to keep all call logs, location data etc for six months to hand over to the government in a variety of circumstances, so that ship sailed a long time ago. However, that is the most broken comparison I could possibly imagine, so no.
denton-scratch 5y ago
We're not talking about "call logs". Sky is collecting information about where their heavy traffic is going, which as Mindwipe says, is just sensible network management. Then they share some of that data with 3rd-parties. That's not information about their customers; it's the IP addresses of IPTV servers they've been streaming from. They could be sharing information about which customers have been streaming from those addresses; but that's not what the article is claiming. I subscribe to Sky satellite for TV. I get my broadband elsewhere. The Sky box is not susceptible to inspection, and since it integrates online "catchup" services, it might well be using my broadband connection to send home information about my viewing habits. The Sky box also creates a shadow wifi network, by default. The shadow network uses at least two wifi channels. On the face of it, this is to allow multiple Sky boxes on the same household account to communicate with one-another, share recordings and so on. I'm not keen to have wifi networks I don't control piggy-backing on my ISP connection; and since I only have a single Sky box, I disable toe wifi. I trust Sky as far as I could throw them, so I have plans to find out what my Sky box is talking to, and firewall it.
- 88 5y ago
  If you are using one of the newer Sky Q boxes, my anecdotal understanding is that they phone home a fairly terrifying amount of telemetry data. Would certainly be a fascinating project to MITM and figure out exactly what is being sent.

Mindwipe 5y ago

> By your logic you'd by fine with your phone provider handing over all call logs and recordings to the govt too along with full browsing history, location data... you know... since they already have the data. In the UK all phone providers are required to keep all call logs, location data etc for six months to hand over to the government in a variety of circumstances, so that ship sailed a long time ago. However, that is the most broken comparison I could possibly imagine, so no.

denton-scratch 5y ago

We're not talking about "call logs". Sky is collecting information about where their heavy traffic is going, which as Mindwipe says, is just sensible network management. Then they share some of that data with 3rd-parties. That's not information about their customers; it's the IP addresses of IPTV servers they've been streaming from. They could be sharing information about which customers have been streaming from those addresses; but that's not what the article is claiming. I subscribe to Sky satellite for TV. I get my broadband elsewhere. The Sky box is not susceptible to inspection, and since it integrates online "catchup" services, it might well be using my broadband connection to send home information about my viewing habits. The Sky box also creates a shadow wifi network, by default. The shadow network uses at least two wifi channels. On the face of it, this is to allow multiple Sky boxes on the same household account to communicate with one-another, share recordings and so on. I'm not keen to have wifi networks I don't control piggy-backing on my ISP connection; and since I only have a single Sky box, I disable toe wifi. I trust Sky as far as I could throw them, so I have plans to find out what my Sky box is talking to, and firewall it.

88 5y ago
If you are using one of the newer Sky Q boxes, my anecdotal understanding is that they phone home a fairly terrifying amount of telemetry data. Would certainly be a fascinating project to MITM and figure out exactly what is being sent.