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These are mostly online sharing and collaboration type services, or have sharing features. That means running it on your server and sharing with others doesn’t

by simonh 5y ago

These are mostly online sharing and collaboration type services, or have sharing features. That means running it on your server and sharing with others doesn’t solve the trust issue, your just requiring that other people using these services you host have to trust you. If you’re just using the single user services then sure, if you have the technical skills and resources doing it yourself is more private.

derac 5y ago
Perhaps you could have a federated open docs (etc) platform? Maybe it could be built on Matrix? Probably tough to implement though.
- southerntofu 5y ago
  NextCloud actually started implementing ActivityPub federation a while back. I don't use NextCloud so i don't know if it works, but for sure all selfhosted programs that have some notion of cooperation should be federated otherwise you end up creating new accounts for every service on every community and that's a UX nightmare. See also a blogpost of mine on this topic, about federated forging: https://staticadventures.netlib.re/blog/decentralized-forge/ https://staticadventures.netlib.re/blog/decentralized-forge/
  - rapnie 5y ago
    That's a great article. Note that there's renewed activity by the FedeProxy [0] project providing funding for federating Gitea [1] using ForgeFed [2] and ActivityPub protocols. [0] https://fedeproxy.eu https://fedeproxy.eu [1] https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/16518 https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/16518 [2] https://forgefed.peers.community https://forgefed.peers.community
  - dachary 5y ago
    I would be interested to read more about the Nextcloud ActivityPub features. I know about ActivityPub related discussions back in 2018[0] which links to a blog post[1] from the author of the activity app[2] that is natively included in every Nextcloud installation. However this app does not currently implement ActivityPub. Did I miss something? [0] https://nextcloud.com/blog/activitypub-the-new-standard-for-decentralized-networks/ https://nextcloud.com/blog/activitypub-the-new-standard-for-... [1] https://www.schilljs.com/2018/01/10/nextcloud-2018.html https://www.schilljs.com/2018/01/10/nextcloud-2018.html [2] https://github.com/nextcloud/activity/ https://github.com/nextcloud/activity/
  - hirako2000 5y ago
    Great writing. Radicle is definitely promising, and ipfs has been growing. I think the UX makes all the difference for adoption, and once an incentive model comes up for many to offer their local resources as available serving peers we may see a great alternative to centralised services. I would offer my disk space and fast network if I could launch a process easily enough and get credit, to exchange for cash or simply equivalent hosting on other peers.

by simonh 5y ago

derac 5y ago

Perhaps you could have a federated open docs (etc) platform? Maybe it could be built on Matrix? Probably tough to implement though.

southerntofu 5y ago
NextCloud actually started implementing ActivityPub federation a while back. I don't use NextCloud so i don't know if it works, but for sure all selfhosted programs that have some notion of cooperation should be federated otherwise you end up creating new accounts for every service on every community and that's a UX nightmare. See also a blogpost of mine on this topic, about federated forging: https://staticadventures.netlib.re/blog/decentralized-forge/ https://staticadventures.netlib.re/blog/decentralized-forge/
- rapnie 5y ago
  That's a great article. Note that there's renewed activity by the FedeProxy [0] project providing funding for federating Gitea [1] using ForgeFed [2] and ActivityPub protocols. [0] https://fedeproxy.eu https://fedeproxy.eu [1] https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/16518 https://github.com/go-gitea/gitea/issues/16518 [2] https://forgefed.peers.community https://forgefed.peers.community
- dachary 5y ago
  I would be interested to read more about the Nextcloud ActivityPub features. I know about ActivityPub related discussions back in 2018[0] which links to a blog post[1] from the author of the activity app[2] that is natively included in every Nextcloud installation. However this app does not currently implement ActivityPub. Did I miss something? [0] https://nextcloud.com/blog/activitypub-the-new-standard-for-decentralized-networks/ https://nextcloud.com/blog/activitypub-the-new-standard-for-... [1] https://www.schilljs.com/2018/01/10/nextcloud-2018.html https://www.schilljs.com/2018/01/10/nextcloud-2018.html [2] https://github.com/nextcloud/activity/ https://github.com/nextcloud/activity/
- hirako2000 5y ago
  Great writing. Radicle is definitely promising, and ipfs has been growing. I think the UX makes all the difference for adoption, and once an incentive model comes up for many to offer their local resources as available serving peers we may see a great alternative to centralised services. I would offer my disk space and fast network if I could launch a process easily enough and get credit, to exchange for cash or simply equivalent hosting on other peers.