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Fine, I'll bite. Which doctors, and which studies are showing this result? I spent time reading about Ivermectin and the most reliable info I could find is fro

Fine, I'll bite. Which doctors, and which studies are showing this result? I spent time reading about Ivermectin and the most reliable info I could find is from the NIH and WHO and neither recommends it for COVID-19: - https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-advises-that-ivermectin-only-be-used-to-treat-covid-19-within-clinical-trials https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-stories/detail/who-adv... - https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/antiviral-therapy/ivermectin/ https://www.covid19treatmentguidelines.nih.gov/therapies/ant... They seem to have reviewed many Ivermectin studies and found all of them low quality and/or insufficiently controlled. Edit: grammar, formatting

remontoire 5y ago
Do you remember what this used to say? https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...
bayesian_horse 5y ago
The "root" of the Ivermectin craziness seems to be a study that found an effect against the virus in vitro, probably in cell cultures. Not sure about the details. Everything else is anecdotal. Quite a few Covid-19 patients do survive, and when doctors prescribe it, they are not doing randomized controlled trials, so they can easily fool themselves and others into thinking Ivermectin works.
- nielsbot 5y ago
  In vitro and at concentrations that are not attainable in a human, assuming it actually works in the body and doesn't have side effects.
  - selcuka 5y ago
    https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/
verdverm 5y ago
Pierre Kory is one name I know. The are randomized trials being conducted, wait for better science to come in before writing it off. Is it so bad to have a medicine for treatment? Should we not be looking at all possibilities still? There are open questions about the long term and variety effectiveness of vaccines. Seems best to have as many tools in our medical toolbox as possible.
- fcurts 5y ago
  Nobody says that Ivermectin definitely doesn't work. What's being said is that there isn't sufficient evidence that it does work, and that until such evidence exists, people should stick to proven measures and shouldn't spread unproven claims. Spreading unproven claims could, for example, cause people to rely on Ivermectin instead of getting vaccinated, which would be an extremely dangerous bet with almost nothing to win and almost everything to lose.
  - nielsbot 5y ago
    People are definitely minimizing the dangers from COVID while maximizing the dangers of the vaccine. (politics alert) This is being stoked by certain media and political organizations. It's a political wedge issue--GOP stokes their base, keeps/gets new voters on this issue, then gets in power and robs the country/planet by doing the bidding of donors/corps/lobbyists.

remontoire 5y ago

Do you remember what this used to say? https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2...

bayesian_horse 5y ago

The "root" of the Ivermectin craziness seems to be a study that found an effect against the virus in vitro, probably in cell cultures. Not sure about the details. Everything else is anecdotal. Quite a few Covid-19 patients do survive, and when doctors prescribe it, they are not doing randomized controlled trials, so they can easily fool themselves and others into thinking Ivermectin works.

nielsbot 5y ago
In vitro and at concentrations that are not attainable in a human, assuming it actually works in the body and doesn't have side effects.
- selcuka 5y ago
  https://xkcd.com/1217/ https://xkcd.com/1217/

verdverm 5y ago

Pierre Kory is one name I know. The are randomized trials being conducted, wait for better science to come in before writing it off. Is it so bad to have a medicine for treatment? Should we not be looking at all possibilities still? There are open questions about the long term and variety effectiveness of vaccines. Seems best to have as many tools in our medical toolbox as possible.

fcurts 5y ago
Nobody says that Ivermectin definitely doesn't work. What's being said is that there isn't sufficient evidence that it does work, and that until such evidence exists, people should stick to proven measures and shouldn't spread unproven claims. Spreading unproven claims could, for example, cause people to rely on Ivermectin instead of getting vaccinated, which would be an extremely dangerous bet with almost nothing to win and almost everything to lose.
- nielsbot 5y ago
  People are definitely minimizing the dangers from COVID while maximizing the dangers of the vaccine. (politics alert) This is being stoked by certain media and political organizations. It's a political wedge issue--GOP stokes their base, keeps/gets new voters on this issue, then gets in power and robs the country/planet by doing the bidding of donors/corps/lobbyists.