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I was trying dendrite a month back and there were some big features missing: expiring messages, message notifications. Additionally the user management endpoin

by rendaw 5y ago

I was trying dendrite a month back and there were some big features missing: expiring messages, message notifications. Additionally the user management endpoints were still in flux. This says the only important features missing are: * E2EE verification over federation * Outgoing read receipts, typing, presence over federation Does this mean it's more complete than dendrite?

ashton314 5y ago
Question about E2EE verification: that means encryption over federation works, but you can't verify the encryption over federation, yes? Like, no green checkmarks? Update: I found their burn-down chart here: https://gitlab.com/famedly/conduit/-/milestones/3 https://gitlab.com/famedly/conduit/-/milestones/3 Looks like there's a bunch of features on their roadmap that are still not yet implemented. Not sure how it shapes up to dendrite specifically.
- rendaw 5y ago
  It'd be nice to see what beta means here in the announcement.
- timokoesters 5y ago
  Correct, E2EE over federation works, but you can't verify the users yet
timokoesters 5y ago
Expiring messages were proposed but are not in the Matrix spec yet, see https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2228 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2228 Message notifications work in Conduit. Another thing I forgot to mention is that Conduit only supports room versions 5 and above while Dendrite supports all of them.
- rendaw 5y ago
  Ah sorry, I meant like only keeping messages/files around for so long on the server: https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/v1.40/message_retention_policies.html https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/v1.40/message_retention... I'm hosting this on a server with a small disk, and there are rooms which are lots of noise - I'd want clients to archive it if they really want to but not the server.
  - timokoesters 5y ago
    Ah I see. This is not yet supported in Conduit, but I can tell you that the conduit.rs server, which currently stores over 2 million events uses 8.6GB of disk storage + 7.8GB for media.
3np 5y ago
What do you mean with "message notifications"? This should be a matter of the client, once it syncs, as opposed to the server, right? I'm still on Synapse but I don't see how it could be any different in the regard. Server-to-client push is still WIP though: https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/issues/611 https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/issues/611

by rendaw 5y ago

ashton314 5y ago

Question about E2EE verification: that means encryption over federation works, but you can't verify the encryption over federation, yes? Like, no green checkmarks? Update: I found their burn-down chart here: https://gitlab.com/famedly/conduit/-/milestones/3 https://gitlab.com/famedly/conduit/-/milestones/3 Looks like there's a bunch of features on their roadmap that are still not yet implemented. Not sure how it shapes up to dendrite specifically.

rendaw 5y ago
It'd be nice to see what beta means here in the announcement.
timokoesters 5y ago
Correct, E2EE over federation works, but you can't verify the users yet

timokoesters 5y ago

Expiring messages were proposed but are not in the Matrix spec yet, see https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2228 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2228 Message notifications work in Conduit. Another thing I forgot to mention is that Conduit only supports room versions 5 and above while Dendrite supports all of them.

rendaw 5y ago
Ah sorry, I meant like only keeping messages/files around for so long on the server: https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/v1.40/message_retention_policies.html https://matrix-org.github.io/synapse/v1.40/message_retention... I'm hosting this on a server with a small disk, and there are rooms which are lots of noise - I'd want clients to archive it if they really want to but not the server.
- timokoesters 5y ago
  Ah I see. This is not yet supported in Conduit, but I can tell you that the conduit.rs server, which currently stores over 2 million events uses 8.6GB of disk storage + 7.8GB for media.

3np 5y ago

What do you mean with "message notifications"? This should be a matter of the client, once it syncs, as opposed to the server, right? I'm still on Synapse but I don't see how it could be any different in the regard. Server-to-client push is still WIP though: https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/issues/611 https://github.com/matrix-org/dendrite/issues/611