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The disturbing thing is that instead of breaking monopolistic behemoths who are feeding their empires from our data, governments are offloading more power to th

by nbzso 5y ago

The disturbing thing is that instead of breaking monopolistic behemoths who are feeding their empires from our data, governments are offloading more power to them. If some form of Digital ID is required it must be done on government level with proper public oversight and always available analogue procedures and backup. But this is convenient, you say. What is this? Because you have a digital gizmo, knowing all about you, you cannot comprehend the magnitude of situation? You trust a private corporation more than actual laws and government procedures and you feel right and cool? You have nothing to hide and everyone is having your data anyway? The Minority Report version of the future is building in front of you and you don't care, because is convenient? Are you not informed? Are you technically uneducated? Or are you blind? CCP Social rating is working in China. In the next two years will work globally, under different "democratic" branding. What is a logical response? The logical response is simple. It is time to balance convenience with privacy and some form of "realistic" view of the world. This corporate power will be abused. The question is how soon.

cookiengineer 5y ago
A corporation like Apple has by definition a conflicting view on upholding the law. They have financial interests, and putting someone with that in charge of identity (and therefore all freedom rights) is the definition of as corruptable as possible. Apple cannot be trusted as long as they even don't give a damn on paying taxes. They only give a damn about the law when it fits their financial agenda.
littleweep 5y ago
You present problems. What are the solutions in your view?
- artificialLimbs 5y ago
  Paper? Or at least working toward open source, which is what an actually transparent government should run with.
- nbzso 5y ago
  Solutions must be created publicly with active participation of experts from different domains. Regulations and laws must be defined with expertise and care for the future of humanity, with proper protection of privacy and existing legislative frameworks. There are proven principles that define our world. The tech overlords are playing gods at the moment, and the minions are following the lead. Solutions arise when expertise is manifested trough political and public action. Bed time stories about convenience and trust are for kids. Grown-up humans are using history as a reference to protect the future and work actively towards balanced implementation. One logical tech solution is everything that is of critical importance to be open-sourced and scrutinized on a regular basis. The other is to regulate big tech and create a line that cannot be crossed. What is Apple anyway? Entertainment company? Utility company? Automotive company? Digital services company? Now they are police and government? Whats going on actually?
  - zepto 5y ago
    > Regulations and laws must be defined with expertise and care for the future of humanity, with proper protection of privacy and existing legislative frameworks. This isn’t happening. > Whats going on actually? Because it isn’t happening, Apple is offering commercial solutions.
rafael_c 5y ago
In Brazil the government has its own app, through which you can produce both your driver's license (it's a national license) and the registration for you vehicle when required. A QR Code is generated along with a fac-simile of the paper-version of the document.
- photojosh 5y ago
  Same in Australia, at least in my state of NSW. You use either a PIN or FaceID to log in to the app, and it provides the above as well as our covid QR logins for contact tracing.
Blahagun 5y ago
>You trust a private corporation more than actual laws and government procedures and you feel right and cool? Governments all around the world have proven many times that they are corrupt, incompetent, constantly make _horrible_ mistakes that impact our privacy, etc. What's your point exactly?
- nbzso 5y ago
  Are you seriously asking this question? https://soapboxie.com/government/who_do_YOU_TRUST https://soapboxie.com/government/who_do_YOU_TRUST
- zaphod4prez 5y ago
  So have private corporations. The point is that government at least has a mandate to protect it's citizens. Corporations explicitly do not care... and in fact there are many situations where they would be taking on significant liability if they put user privacy above profit (putting any above profit risks a shareholder suit or shareholder activism to bump executives/board)
lamontcg 5y ago
> CCP Social rating is working in China. In the next two years will work globally, under different "democratic" branding. Sorta like credit scores?
aqrre 5y ago
> The disturbing thing is that instead of breaking monopolistic behemoths who are feeding their empires from our data, governments are offloading more power to them. It's called a partnership, I think

by nbzso 5y ago

cookiengineer 5y ago

A corporation like Apple has by definition a conflicting view on upholding the law. They have financial interests, and putting someone with that in charge of identity (and therefore all freedom rights) is the definition of as corruptable as possible. Apple cannot be trusted as long as they even don't give a damn on paying taxes. They only give a damn about the law when it fits their financial agenda.

littleweep 5y ago

You present problems. What are the solutions in your view?

artificialLimbs 5y ago
Paper? Or at least working toward open source, which is what an actually transparent government should run with.
nbzso 5y ago
Solutions must be created publicly with active participation of experts from different domains. Regulations and laws must be defined with expertise and care for the future of humanity, with proper protection of privacy and existing legislative frameworks. There are proven principles that define our world. The tech overlords are playing gods at the moment, and the minions are following the lead. Solutions arise when expertise is manifested trough political and public action. Bed time stories about convenience and trust are for kids. Grown-up humans are using history as a reference to protect the future and work actively towards balanced implementation. One logical tech solution is everything that is of critical importance to be open-sourced and scrutinized on a regular basis. The other is to regulate big tech and create a line that cannot be crossed. What is Apple anyway? Entertainment company? Utility company? Automotive company? Digital services company? Now they are police and government? Whats going on actually?
- zepto 5y ago
  > Regulations and laws must be defined with expertise and care for the future of humanity, with proper protection of privacy and existing legislative frameworks. This isn’t happening. > Whats going on actually? Because it isn’t happening, Apple is offering commercial solutions.

rafael_c 5y ago

In Brazil the government has its own app, through which you can produce both your driver's license (it's a national license) and the registration for you vehicle when required. A QR Code is generated along with a fac-simile of the paper-version of the document.

photojosh 5y ago
Same in Australia, at least in my state of NSW. You use either a PIN or FaceID to log in to the app, and it provides the above as well as our covid QR logins for contact tracing.

Blahagun 5y ago

>You trust a private corporation more than actual laws and government procedures and you feel right and cool? Governments all around the world have proven many times that they are corrupt, incompetent, constantly make _horrible_ mistakes that impact our privacy, etc. What's your point exactly?

nbzso 5y ago
Are you seriously asking this question? https://soapboxie.com/government/who_do_YOU_TRUST https://soapboxie.com/government/who_do_YOU_TRUST
zaphod4prez 5y ago
So have private corporations. The point is that government at least has a mandate to protect it's citizens. Corporations explicitly do not care... and in fact there are many situations where they would be taking on significant liability if they put user privacy above profit (putting any above profit risks a shareholder suit or shareholder activism to bump executives/board)

lamontcg 5y ago

> CCP Social rating is working in China. In the next two years will work globally, under different "democratic" branding. Sorta like credit scores?

aqrre 5y ago

> The disturbing thing is that instead of breaking monopolistic behemoths who are feeding their empires from our data, governments are offloading more power to them. It's called a partnership, I think