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Much as I dislike Twitter as a concept and a company, I think this is a good idea. It's high time the tech majors started to move towards alternative revenue st

by ufmace 5y ago

Much as I dislike Twitter as a concept and a company, I think this is a good idea. It's high time the tech majors started to move towards alternative revenue streams from advertisement, and encouraging users to pay producers directly for content with the platform taking a cut seems like a good way to do that. I don't know offhand who will charge for their tweets or what kind of content they'll be charging for, but I'm confident that the market is far more creative than any of us are at finding ways to use features like this.

DaiPlusPlus 5y ago
> I don't know offhand who will charge for their tweets or what kind of content they'll be charging for, but I'm confident that the market is far more creative than any of us are at finding ways to use features like this. Apparently tarot-card readers
xyzzy123 5y ago
Feels like the end state in less competitive markets is that the customer pays AND they get ads. Very hard not to do ads at media companies. At the very least, content manipulation via "promotion". The problem is that paying customers are the _best_ segment! They're like a delicious cookie of revenue just sitting there. Uneaten. At some point natural growth slows. The forces of capitalism demand at least revenue growth. Where to squeeze it from? The cookie is right there. Paying customers get ads, surveillance and manipulated feeds.
- xiphias2 5y ago
  The problem is not ads but the amount, quality and how they are shown. Lex Fridman gives us the links and the timeline so that we can just skip it, but still see them if we want, and gives hours of content in return.
  - eropple 5y ago
    The problem is absolutely the ads. I subscribe to people on Twitch. Twitch is getting money from me. I'm also a Twitch Prime member and Amazon makes a lot of money off of me generally. They can do without sticking ads in my face. I'll put up with ads when I'm not paying for things (and Twitch takes a very large cut!). If I am, get out. This is why I pay for YouTube Premium, because then I don't get ads.
    - loceng 5y ago
      And ads are literary paid by "you" (or investors hoping to eventually create a growing positive feedback loop) to to manipulate you and everyone else with cheap-shallow attempt to get you to buy a product or service and use up two of your most valuable assets - your time and your attention; you/society currently have the accepted culture to fund to using up your time and being manipulated and without accounting for the externalized cost and harm of such. Until society is educated on this harm and elects politicians who will create policy for healthy/healthier system then we'll be stuck in this state - and of course ads work, create profits, and industries with most profits have more profits to spend on advertising and on lobbying politicians of their choice to help bolster them into elected positions or to attempt to defame or suppress them directly or indirectly via funding their opposition who may engage in public or private/incognito smear campaigns - the subtly violent method compared to the method cartels use of assassinating any new political campaigners who don't fall in line with what they want. Good luck with the "no ads" effort to all though as you have the whole advertising industrial complex now disliking you or worse, you're now up against all their employees, owners, and investors of whatever part of the ecosystem they're part of - including the companies who depend on using ads for and to maintain inflated-artificial market share.
    - iaml 5y ago
      You can pay for twitch turbo and not get ads.
      - eropple 5y ago
        Twitch Turbo doesn't show you video ads, but still shows you ads on the site. They just call them "promotions" instead. For $9/month, I expect peace and quiet, you know?
Natsu 5y ago
I wish their press release wasn't advocating for a Tarot account that claims to give people psychic healing, though. This sort of thing really undermines their legitimacy in the fight against Covid misinformation.

by ufmace 5y ago

DaiPlusPlus 5y ago

> I don't know offhand who will charge for their tweets or what kind of content they'll be charging for, but I'm confident that the market is far more creative than any of us are at finding ways to use features like this. Apparently tarot-card readers

xyzzy123 5y ago

Feels like the end state in less competitive markets is that the customer pays AND they get ads. Very hard not to do ads at media companies. At the very least, content manipulation via "promotion". The problem is that paying customers are the _best_ segment! They're like a delicious cookie of revenue just sitting there. Uneaten. At some point natural growth slows. The forces of capitalism demand at least revenue growth. Where to squeeze it from? The cookie is right there. Paying customers get ads, surveillance and manipulated feeds.

xiphias2 5y ago
The problem is not ads but the amount, quality and how they are shown. Lex Fridman gives us the links and the timeline so that we can just skip it, but still see them if we want, and gives hours of content in return.
- eropple 5y ago
  The problem is absolutely the ads. I subscribe to people on Twitch. Twitch is getting money from me. I'm also a Twitch Prime member and Amazon makes a lot of money off of me generally. They can do without sticking ads in my face. I'll put up with ads when I'm not paying for things (and Twitch takes a very large cut!). If I am, get out. This is why I pay for YouTube Premium, because then I don't get ads.
  - loceng 5y ago
    And ads are literary paid by "you" (or investors hoping to eventually create a growing positive feedback loop) to to manipulate you and everyone else with cheap-shallow attempt to get you to buy a product or service and use up two of your most valuable assets - your time and your attention; you/society currently have the accepted culture to fund to using up your time and being manipulated and without accounting for the externalized cost and harm of such. Until society is educated on this harm and elects politicians who will create policy for healthy/healthier system then we'll be stuck in this state - and of course ads work, create profits, and industries with most profits have more profits to spend on advertising and on lobbying politicians of their choice to help bolster them into elected positions or to attempt to defame or suppress them directly or indirectly via funding their opposition who may engage in public or private/incognito smear campaigns - the subtly violent method compared to the method cartels use of assassinating any new political campaigners who don't fall in line with what they want. Good luck with the "no ads" effort to all though as you have the whole advertising industrial complex now disliking you or worse, you're now up against all their employees, owners, and investors of whatever part of the ecosystem they're part of - including the companies who depend on using ads for and to maintain inflated-artificial market share.
  - iaml 5y ago
    You can pay for twitch turbo and not get ads.
    - eropple 5y ago
      Twitch Turbo doesn't show you video ads, but still shows you ads on the site. They just call them "promotions" instead. For $9/month, I expect peace and quiet, you know?

Natsu 5y ago

I wish their press release wasn't advocating for a Tarot account that claims to give people psychic healing, though. This sort of thing really undermines their legitimacy in the fight against Covid misinformation.