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Honest question. We're knocking over a lot of drug laws: MJ, mushrooms... I'm assuming there's a group that's pushing for legalization of everything under the s

Honest question. We're knocking over a lot of drug laws: MJ, mushrooms... I'm assuming there's a group that's pushing for legalization of everything under the sun. I mean, is there something in Opiods that is like 10 times worse or something?

lupire 5y ago
Yes. Opioids are extremely addictive.
BrianOnHN 5y ago
Pretty straightforward compared to cannabis and mushrooms: 1. 10X-100X more addictive 2. Infinite more likelihood of death from over consumption. Strong opioids should only be used under careful supervision.
betwixthewires 5y ago
I'd be one of those people that advocates for the legalization of everything. Opioids in general don't all have the same addictive potential or acute danger, and most of the ones commonly used don't have severe chronic effects (besides addiction) and are generally considered safe to use if used with proper moderation. The problem with this case though is not someone is liable for selling addictive drugs to willing participants. The problem is that someone deliberately marketed a highly addictive substance (more addictive than morphine) as a less addictive alternative to existing opiate drugs. This is not the first time this happened, Bayer marketed Heroin as a less addictive alternative to morphine, and it was widely used on civil war veterans in the US which led to widespread addiction and we still live with the legacy of that today in the form of widespread heroin use. BTW heroin, like oxycontin (the drug being discussed in this thread), is far more addictive than morphine.
- dillondoyle 5y ago
  I don't think there is any evidence to suggest any opiate is more or less addictive than any other, as you say have made that mistake many times (relevant: purdue claimed this, there's evidence showing they knew it was a lie). They are basically all pro-drugs to morphine from what I understand. some evidence I've read that the longer term, higher dose the great % of abuse. On the order of 4-26% ..... i think ROA makes a difference but i can't find a quick source for that, and if you're shooting it you're already an addict lol. https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/opioid-overdose-crisis https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/opioid-overdos... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3280085/#R10 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3280085/#R10
dillondoyle 5y ago
I'm for 100% legalization and regulation of all drugs. But opiates are FAR more addictive. A big reason we have so many deaths is adulterated drugs where you don't know what opiate is in it or how strong it is. And then you physically can't live without it so you shoot up anyways. In set controlled doses, with pills, powder, or clean needles it wouldn't be that dangerous. I think alcohol would be more so under those controls. So long as you don't take so much you nod off while driving or something. Just like drinking... Personally I think heavy stims and opiates would be something you have to show an addiction too in order to get the good stuff from the Gov. Kind of cart and horse, maybe it would destroy the profitability of the drug trade enough we'd have fewer first time users. I'm 100% for MDMA, coke and similar to be available in small controlled quantities capped to like once a month at a special pharmacy. Can always work around that (eh em cough syrup) but I think way safer and way better externalities with all the death from drug trade. People will use drugs no matter what. We should see the humanity and reduce harm as much as possible. Not to mention it would likely save a lot of money.

lupire 5y ago

Yes. Opioids are extremely addictive.

BrianOnHN 5y ago

Pretty straightforward compared to cannabis and mushrooms: 1. 10X-100X more addictive 2. Infinite more likelihood of death from over consumption. Strong opioids should only be used under careful supervision.

betwixthewires 5y ago

I'd be one of those people that advocates for the legalization of everything. Opioids in general don't all have the same addictive potential or acute danger, and most of the ones commonly used don't have severe chronic effects (besides addiction) and are generally considered safe to use if used with proper moderation. The problem with this case though is not someone is liable for selling addictive drugs to willing participants. The problem is that someone deliberately marketed a highly addictive substance (more addictive than morphine) as a less addictive alternative to existing opiate drugs. This is not the first time this happened, Bayer marketed Heroin as a less addictive alternative to morphine, and it was widely used on civil war veterans in the US which led to widespread addiction and we still live with the legacy of that today in the form of widespread heroin use. BTW heroin, like oxycontin (the drug being discussed in this thread), is far more addictive than morphine.

dillondoyle 5y ago
I don't think there is any evidence to suggest any opiate is more or less addictive than any other, as you say have made that mistake many times (relevant: purdue claimed this, there's evidence showing they knew it was a lie). They are basically all pro-drugs to morphine from what I understand. some evidence I've read that the longer term, higher dose the great % of abuse. On the order of 4-26% ..... i think ROA makes a difference but i can't find a quick source for that, and if you're shooting it you're already an addict lol. https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/opioid-overdose-crisis https://www.drugabuse.gov/drug-topics/opioids/opioid-overdos... https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3280085/#R10 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3280085/#R10

dillondoyle 5y ago

I'm for 100% legalization and regulation of all drugs. But opiates are FAR more addictive. A big reason we have so many deaths is adulterated drugs where you don't know what opiate is in it or how strong it is. And then you physically can't live without it so you shoot up anyways. In set controlled doses, with pills, powder, or clean needles it wouldn't be that dangerous. I think alcohol would be more so under those controls. So long as you don't take so much you nod off while driving or something. Just like drinking... Personally I think heavy stims and opiates would be something you have to show an addiction too in order to get the good stuff from the Gov. Kind of cart and horse, maybe it would destroy the profitability of the drug trade enough we'd have fewer first time users. I'm 100% for MDMA, coke and similar to be available in small controlled quantities capped to like once a month at a special pharmacy. Can always work around that (eh em cough syrup) but I think way safer and way better externalities with all the death from drug trade. People will use drugs no matter what. We should see the humanity and reduce harm as much as possible. Not to mention it would likely save a lot of money.