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FDA doesn’t hand out prison sentences. FDAs role is to understand if a certain drug is safe and effective. You could argue that FDA should do more in monitorin

FDA doesn’t hand out prison sentences. FDAs role is to understand if a certain drug is safe and effective. You could argue that FDA should do more in monitoring situations like these and have more control/funding to prevent outcomes like these. I don’t think you or anyone will be banned for saying that.

m0zg 5y ago
On what planet are opioids "safe" outside a hospital in any way? Incredibly easy to OD, highly addictive, and severely exacerbated by alcohol consumption. They _knew_ ahead of time people would die, and approved this garbage anyway. Then looked the other way when the Sacklers bought the doctors to hand the pills out like candy.
- seattle_spring 5y ago
  There are plenty of ways opioids are an appropriate tool outside of a hospital setting. You act like the only form available is high dose fentanyl.
  - m0zg 5y ago
    Appropriate? Maybe, in some cases. But certainly not "safe". There's no non-cynical explanation for banning marijuana at the federal level (an effective and non-addictive pain mangement tool), while allowing addictive opioids. The cynical explanation is that this is done specifically to let the Sacklers of the world (rather than some farm hippies in WA) take the profits (and then offer the former government officials do-nothing jobs paying millions of dollars a year). As an aside, I wonder why, in spite of abundant and blindingly obvious evidence, people in the US have a hard time believing that deep seated corruption exists in US government. When something gets done (or, as the case may be, not done) by e.g. Russian government everyone in Russia knows money is changing hands under the table, in 100% of the cases. What makes anyone in the US think it's any different here? This case in particular is an obvious mockery of justice, and yet we have people on this forum rejecting this reality and substituting it with their own.
    - seattle_spring 5y ago
      Marijuana is absolutely not a reasonable replacement for opioids for treating pain in many circumstances. Not going to respond to the rest of your rant because it has nothing to do with what I said in the first place.
- betwixthewires 5y ago
  People have been using opiates for pain and recreation since before writing. Humanity seems to be faring reasonably OK. So I'd argue that this planet is the one you're looking for. The problem here isn't opioid drugs being abused. The problem is that a particular proprietary compound was marketed as a safer alternative while the ones doing the marketing knew it was more dangerous than alternative existing drugs.
  - m0zg 5y ago
    > Humanity seems to be faring reasonably OK. Have you heard of the Opium Wars? Including perhaps the one China is waging against the US right now? Tens of thousands of deaths every year - nobody is even aware.
    - betwixthewires 5y ago
      Yeah I am aware of all that. A lot of people are aware.
      - m0zg 5y ago
        So according to your own post above, 93331 opioid deaths in 2020 in the US alone qualifies as "doing OK" then? To me it sounds like something ought to be done about the situation. Such as, perhaps, imposing crippling trade sanctions on China and enforcing the US/Mexico border security at the very minimum, as well as making an example of large scale opioid peddlers like the Sacklers.
        betwixthewires 5y ago
        > So according to your own post above, 93331 opioid deaths in 2020 in the US alone qualifies as "doing OK" then? No. But humanity all things considered is doing fine with drugs available outside a hospital, which was the statement I was replying to. I never made anything like a statement that "people dying is fine."
AndrewBissell 5y ago
The FDA greenlit the marketing of many of these opioids on the false pretext that they would be less addictive than traditional painkillers like morphine.
- warning26 5y ago
  The real problem is that the US allows direct to consumer marketing for pharmaceuticals, which is illegal in basically every other country because it's an objectively terrible idea.
renewiltord 5y ago
Man, I need to get into this business where sucking at my job is justification to be paid more to suck even more at my job. M

m0zg 5y ago

On what planet are opioids "safe" outside a hospital in any way? Incredibly easy to OD, highly addictive, and severely exacerbated by alcohol consumption. They _knew_ ahead of time people would die, and approved this garbage anyway. Then looked the other way when the Sacklers bought the doctors to hand the pills out like candy.

seattle_spring 5y ago
There are plenty of ways opioids are an appropriate tool outside of a hospital setting. You act like the only form available is high dose fentanyl.
- m0zg 5y ago
  Appropriate? Maybe, in some cases. But certainly not "safe". There's no non-cynical explanation for banning marijuana at the federal level (an effective and non-addictive pain mangement tool), while allowing addictive opioids. The cynical explanation is that this is done specifically to let the Sacklers of the world (rather than some farm hippies in WA) take the profits (and then offer the former government officials do-nothing jobs paying millions of dollars a year). As an aside, I wonder why, in spite of abundant and blindingly obvious evidence, people in the US have a hard time believing that deep seated corruption exists in US government. When something gets done (or, as the case may be, not done) by e.g. Russian government everyone in Russia knows money is changing hands under the table, in 100% of the cases. What makes anyone in the US think it's any different here? This case in particular is an obvious mockery of justice, and yet we have people on this forum rejecting this reality and substituting it with their own.
  - seattle_spring 5y ago
    Marijuana is absolutely not a reasonable replacement for opioids for treating pain in many circumstances. Not going to respond to the rest of your rant because it has nothing to do with what I said in the first place.
betwixthewires 5y ago
People have been using opiates for pain and recreation since before writing. Humanity seems to be faring reasonably OK. So I'd argue that this planet is the one you're looking for. The problem here isn't opioid drugs being abused. The problem is that a particular proprietary compound was marketed as a safer alternative while the ones doing the marketing knew it was more dangerous than alternative existing drugs.
- m0zg 5y ago
  > Humanity seems to be faring reasonably OK. Have you heard of the Opium Wars? Including perhaps the one China is waging against the US right now? Tens of thousands of deaths every year - nobody is even aware.
  - betwixthewires 5y ago
    Yeah I am aware of all that. A lot of people are aware.
    - m0zg 5y ago
      So according to your own post above, 93331 opioid deaths in 2020 in the US alone qualifies as "doing OK" then? To me it sounds like something ought to be done about the situation. Such as, perhaps, imposing crippling trade sanctions on China and enforcing the US/Mexico border security at the very minimum, as well as making an example of large scale opioid peddlers like the Sacklers.
      - betwixthewires 5y ago
        > So according to your own post above, 93331 opioid deaths in 2020 in the US alone qualifies as "doing OK" then? No. But humanity all things considered is doing fine with drugs available outside a hospital, which was the statement I was replying to. I never made anything like a statement that "people dying is fine."

AndrewBissell 5y ago

The FDA greenlit the marketing of many of these opioids on the false pretext that they would be less addictive than traditional painkillers like morphine.

warning26 5y ago
The real problem is that the US allows direct to consumer marketing for pharmaceuticals, which is illegal in basically every other country because it's an objectively terrible idea.

renewiltord 5y ago

Man, I need to get into this business where sucking at my job is justification to be paid more to suck even more at my job. M