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> It's clear to everyone and their mothers that Amazon is abusing the process. Not to me. SpaceX certainly claims so, but they are hardly impartial and I'm not

by AnssiH 5y ago

> It's clear to everyone and their mothers that Amazon is abusing the process. Not to me. SpaceX certainly claims so, but they are hardly impartial and I'm not familiar enough with FCC regs to make that judgement myself.

bogomipz 5y ago
I think the OP may have be referring to the fact that Amazon also recently both filed lawsuit against the DOD for awarding the JEDI project to Microsoft[1] and Blue Origin filed a protest against the G.A.O. for awarding the lunar landing contract to SpaceX[2]. I think when take all 3 of these in the aggregate, it starts to look a bit like bad faith on the part of Bezos and Amazon. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/07/06/pentagon-scraps-microsofts-10-billion-cloud-computing-deal-after-lawsuit-from-amazon https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/07/06/pentagon-sc... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/science/spacex-moon-blue-origin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/science/spacex-moon-blue-...
- verdverm 5y ago
  Don't forget BO sued NASA after losing the GAO decision, so four recent incidents
DisjointedHunt 5y ago
You don't need to be familiar with FCC regs, its a matter of common sense. Say you buy a house somewhere and submit an application to the city to modify the kitchen or something. Your neighbor objects even though it is none of their business what your dealings with the city council on official matters related to your property are. Clearly , you are "hardly impartial", now?
whoknowswhat11 5y ago
Wow - HN folks just go for this garbage? Lots of good quotes from the pushback " In fact, Amazon has not had a single meeting with the Commission this year about how it intends to resolve the Commission’s interference or safety concerns, but it has had 15 meetings in that same span just about SpaceX. While Amazon has waited 15 months to explain how its system works, it has lodged objections to SpaceX on average about every 16 days this year." So you have one company actually launching and serving customers, and another who has done nothing, not even updating FCC on its plans in 15 months! And then every 16 days is lodging objections? Let me understand this clearly - is it the FCC jobs to protect Amazon from being slow, or to advance consumer access to internet and communications? Because we should be pushing HARD for the folks actually delivering.
- AnssiH 5y ago
  Personally I don't believe the (non-)progress Amazon's plans have any relevance with whether their complaints about SpaceX are abusive. "Amazon files more complaints than SpaceX" is similarly irrelevant. I consider the complaints abusive only if they are entirely without merit and are just taking FCC's time for nothing (which they might still be - but just SpaceX saying so is not enough for me).
  - whoknowswhat11 5y ago
    You realize the blue origin complaints are that SpaceX plans are too "speculative"? The blue origin plans as an example have no clarity on so many key elements its not even funny - but SpaceX is not protesting them saying they are speculative. There are many other filings also very speculative. Or that haven't even done debris mitigation work (they use a non US home state to try and avoid the work). No fuss for any of these, but they are out of the woodwork if SpaceX does anything. The mind boggling hypocrisy of it all is crazy. They have time to file 200 page complaints, bring big teams to complain. They expect us to believe they haven't evaluated the SpaceX approach before doing their own designs (one complaint, blue origin, despite tons of money, claims they can't / don't look at the spaceX designs).

by AnssiH 5y ago

bogomipz 5y ago

I think the OP may have be referring to the fact that Amazon also recently both filed lawsuit against the DOD for awarding the JEDI project to Microsoft[1] and Blue Origin filed a protest against the G.A.O. for awarding the lunar landing contract to SpaceX[2]. I think when take all 3 of these in the aggregate, it starts to look a bit like bad faith on the part of Bezos and Amazon. [1] https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/07/06/pentagon-scraps-microsofts-10-billion-cloud-computing-deal-after-lawsuit-from-amazon https://www.forbes.com/sites/joewalsh/2021/07/06/pentagon-sc... [2] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/science/spacex-moon-blue-origin.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/26/science/spacex-moon-blue-...

verdverm 5y ago
Don't forget BO sued NASA after losing the GAO decision, so four recent incidents

DisjointedHunt 5y ago

You don't need to be familiar with FCC regs, its a matter of common sense. Say you buy a house somewhere and submit an application to the city to modify the kitchen or something. Your neighbor objects even though it is none of their business what your dealings with the city council on official matters related to your property are. Clearly , you are "hardly impartial", now?

whoknowswhat11 5y ago

Wow - HN folks just go for this garbage? Lots of good quotes from the pushback " In fact, Amazon has not had a single meeting with the Commission this year about how it intends to resolve the Commission’s interference or safety concerns, but it has had 15 meetings in that same span just about SpaceX. While Amazon has waited 15 months to explain how its system works, it has lodged objections to SpaceX on average about every 16 days this year." So you have one company actually launching and serving customers, and another who has done nothing, not even updating FCC on its plans in 15 months! And then every 16 days is lodging objections? Let me understand this clearly - is it the FCC jobs to protect Amazon from being slow, or to advance consumer access to internet and communications? Because we should be pushing HARD for the folks actually delivering.

AnssiH 5y ago
Personally I don't believe the (non-)progress Amazon's plans have any relevance with whether their complaints about SpaceX are abusive. "Amazon files more complaints than SpaceX" is similarly irrelevant. I consider the complaints abusive only if they are entirely without merit and are just taking FCC's time for nothing (which they might still be - but just SpaceX saying so is not enough for me).
- whoknowswhat11 5y ago
  You realize the blue origin complaints are that SpaceX plans are too "speculative"? The blue origin plans as an example have no clarity on so many key elements its not even funny - but SpaceX is not protesting them saying they are speculative. There are many other filings also very speculative. Or that haven't even done debris mitigation work (they use a non US home state to try and avoid the work). No fuss for any of these, but they are out of the woodwork if SpaceX does anything. The mind boggling hypocrisy of it all is crazy. They have time to file 200 page complaints, bring big teams to complain. They expect us to believe they haven't evaluated the SpaceX approach before doing their own designs (one complaint, blue origin, despite tons of money, claims they can't / don't look at the spaceX designs).