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Violating airspace regulations isn't gutsy. It's irresponsible and selfish. It puts others at risk.

rpmisms 5y ago
Life is risk, sometimes with other people's lives in the balance. Violating their airspace, in this context, was absolutely gutsy, and dangerous, and stupid, but all of them have massive balls and my respect.
- JohnFen 5y ago
  What about that is deserving of respect? Edit: This was an honest question, and I was hoping for an answer that would help me to understand. It's a shame that this is getting downvoted rather than someone enlightening me.
  - doctor_eval 5y ago
    Anyone can win if they are allowed to break the rules. You get my respect by completing the mission within the rules.
    - Sebb767 5y ago
      To be fair, the rules they are really up against are those of physics and they naturally can't break those. FAA rules are rather pale in comparison.
      - doctor_eval 5y ago
        The rules I'm referring to are the ones that say "if this light goes red, abort the mission instead of potentially crashing into other people or killing everyone aboard".
    - bumby 5y ago
      This is unfortunately common. Even NASA regularly ignores their own standards and procedures due to schedule and budget pressures.
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    The pilots' willingness to risk their lives for an historic flight. It's a bit of a machismo thing, but it takes guts to do that, and a certain amount of comfort around risk.
    - tptacek 5y ago
      It takes guts to win a game of chicken on a highway, too. We don't valorize those guts.
- justapassenger 5y ago
  Do people driving 150mph on the freeway deserve to get respect and have others comment about size of their balls?
  - rpmisms 5y ago
    Huge difference. Deviating from a flight plan, even majorly, is orders of magnitude less dangerous than glancing at your phone on the highway. Airspace is really big, and flying into area outside their flight path is so unlikely to hurt anyone as to be laughable. The ballsy part that deserves respect is pushing the envelope on safety, executing perfectly, and playing it off like it's nothing.
    - iab 5y ago
      > The ballsy part that deserves respect is pushing the envelope on safety, executing perfectly, and playing it off like it's nothing. None this competent happened in the story though, so unsure the relevance
    - Sebb767 5y ago
      > Deviating from a flight plan, even majorly, is orders of magnitude less dangerous than glancing at your phone on the highway. No. These safety margins are expensive and they are there for a reason. Airliners don't expect a f-ing rocket to shoot by and just the air disturbances caused by it can seriously hurt or kill people. > The ballsy part that deserves respect is pushing the envelope on safety, executing perfectly, and playing it off like it's nothing. It does not deserve respect because it risked the safety of other people. I'd agree fully if all they risked was their live, but this way, it's exactly like going 250 km/h on a limited freeway - you're putting the lives of other people at risk and that's not cool.
      - rpmisms 5y ago
        It was an altitude variation, it didn't stray from the accepted longitude and latitude. It also didn't leave the cleared airspace. > It does not deserve respect because it risked the safety of other people That's correct, it didn't endanger anyone else.

Life is risk, sometimes with other people's lives in the balance. Violating their airspace, in this context, was absolutely gutsy, and dangerous, and stupid, but all of them have massive balls and my respect.

JohnFen 5y ago
What about that is deserving of respect? Edit: This was an honest question, and I was hoping for an answer that would help me to understand. It's a shame that this is getting downvoted rather than someone enlightening me.
- doctor_eval 5y ago
  Anyone can win if they are allowed to break the rules. You get my respect by completing the mission within the rules.
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    To be fair, the rules they are really up against are those of physics and they naturally can't break those. FAA rules are rather pale in comparison.
    - doctor_eval 5y ago
      The rules I'm referring to are the ones that say "if this light goes red, abort the mission instead of potentially crashing into other people or killing everyone aboard".
  - bumby 5y ago
    This is unfortunately common. Even NASA regularly ignores their own standards and procedures due to schedule and budget pressures.
- rpmisms 5y ago
  The pilots' willingness to risk their lives for an historic flight. It's a bit of a machismo thing, but it takes guts to do that, and a certain amount of comfort around risk.
  - tptacek 5y ago
    It takes guts to win a game of chicken on a highway, too. We don't valorize those guts.
justapassenger 5y ago
Do people driving 150mph on the freeway deserve to get respect and have others comment about size of their balls?
- rpmisms 5y ago
  Huge difference. Deviating from a flight plan, even majorly, is orders of magnitude less dangerous than glancing at your phone on the highway. Airspace is really big, and flying into area outside their flight path is so unlikely to hurt anyone as to be laughable. The ballsy part that deserves respect is pushing the envelope on safety, executing perfectly, and playing it off like it's nothing.
  - iab 5y ago
    > The ballsy part that deserves respect is pushing the envelope on safety, executing perfectly, and playing it off like it's nothing. None this competent happened in the story though, so unsure the relevance
  - Sebb767 5y ago
    > Deviating from a flight plan, even majorly, is orders of magnitude less dangerous than glancing at your phone on the highway. No. These safety margins are expensive and they are there for a reason. Airliners don't expect a f-ing rocket to shoot by and just the air disturbances caused by it can seriously hurt or kill people. > The ballsy part that deserves respect is pushing the envelope on safety, executing perfectly, and playing it off like it's nothing. It does not deserve respect because it risked the safety of other people. I'd agree fully if all they risked was their live, but this way, it's exactly like going 250 km/h on a limited freeway - you're putting the lives of other people at risk and that's not cool.
    - rpmisms 5y ago
      It was an altitude variation, it didn't stray from the accepted longitude and latitude. It also didn't leave the cleared airspace. > It does not deserve respect because it risked the safety of other people That's correct, it didn't endanger anyone else.