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What laptops are you comparing to? When I compared to Lenovo X series and Dell XPS, Framework came out hundreds of dollars cheaper.

bastardoperator 5y ago
If we look at a maxed out dell xps 13 with ubuntu, the cost is $1,909.00 and I can probably squeak out some additional cost with my business account. If we look at a maxed out M1 Macbook Air it's $2,049.00 with 2TB of drive space. The maxed out frame.work costs $1,917.00 with a 100 dollar deposit and that doesn't have a drive in because I don't trust WD with my data. If we add a 2 TB drive the cost is $2,316.00 or $2,416.00 with deposit. Granted there are some trade offs. Take for instance the frame.work has more memory, but the dell xps has a 4k screen. I don't see any costs savings here and I still have to open this thing up, source a drive and put it all together which means I'm spending additional money on this.
- nicoburns 5y ago
  It might still end up cheaper if you can say, buy less RAM today then upgrade in future when it's cheaper rather than needing to max it out today to future proof because it's soldered on.
- pjerem 5y ago
  Well, the price of parts of the DIY edition are really comparable to market price. Price is not that much higher if the promise to be able to keep upgraded is fulfilled, I totally can see this laptop being used (and upgraded) for at least a decade. There is literally nothing on the market that is equivalent to the PC tower you upgrade through years. And I truly love that they made the choice to use USB-C instead of proprietary connectors for the modules. It means that if the market really exists, we can hope for third party components.
- amarshall 5y ago
  These comparisons are pretty useless because “maxed-out” means different things for each model. Maxed out M1 has a whopping 16 GB RAM, XPS has 32 GB, and Framework has 64 GB. Never mind that it doesn’t even seem you actually “maxed-out” either because I just made a XPS 13 Developer that costs US$2,459. So now you’re just comparing arbitrarily different specs.
- filmgirlcw 5y ago
  So FWIW, I got an XPS 13 9310 at the end of June for $1799 (marked down $200 because of a Costco special) that had an 1185G7, 32GB of RAM, 4K screen, 1TB hard drive. I also configured an almost identical DIY Framework (which will hopefully arrive today) with a bunch of extra modules (Dell just has two USB-C ports and a micro-SD). The drive-out price on the Costco (with tax, which is 10.25% in Seattle) was $1940.38. The drive out cost on my Framework, which has a better network card, faster RAM (though the Dell RAM is soldered so it is better for battery), an SN850 SSD (I trust WD for the high-end gen4 SSDs), and better port options, was $2032.00. I could have shaved off more than $100 if I chose a different port selection (I got 8 total modules) and didn't get the AC adapter and I could have saved further money if I had chosen the SN759 and the non VPro WiFi adapter (which I probably should have in retrospect) For $90 extra, I get something repairable, something that that will let me upgrade to 64GB of RAM (32GB is the max on the XPS 13), and something more versatile from a port perspective. Framework didn't charge tax (that will change, I'm sure as soon as they sell the required amount in various states), but even if we account for that, that would leave us at $2240.38. I'm personally willing to pay a 10% penalty for having something more repairable and sustainable. (Also need to factor in the cost of a Costco membership That said -- I just checked Dell's website and the Developer Edition with an i7 (1165G7 or 1185G7), 32GB of RAM, a 1TB SSD and 4K screen is $2159.00 before tax. So that's $80 more than my identically configured Framework, but with a lower quality SSD and WiFi adapter. The Dell has a better screen -- though I prefer the 3:2 aspect ratio of the Framework/Surface/Matebook X Pro). I understand you CAN get a cheaper laptop, but as someone who will be returning the XPS as soon as the Framework arrives (assuming it is half as good as the reviews have been), I'm looking at something that costs the exact same and is also more sustainable. edited to correct the price different between the XPS with tax and the Framework without. It is $90 difference vs $70.
- freeopinion 5y ago
  Don't forget that you'll need a backpack or something to carry it. And you'll have to unzip the carrying case and put the laptop in or pull the laptop out yourself. And you have to unfold or fold the laptop, too. This is exactly like the Dell or Lenovo. There's no difference at all. This laptop has not innovated in any way or have any features whatsoever that might distinguish it. /s If you don't see value for yourself in the obvious differences of this laptop, fine. But why snipe? I don't care for the Intel board, so I will wait to see if they can produce an interesting Ryzen card. But that doesn't mean that others should wait. It's awesome work. They deserve a congratulations.

bastardoperator 5y ago

If we look at a maxed out dell xps 13 with ubuntu, the cost is $1,909.00 and I can probably squeak out some additional cost with my business account. If we look at a maxed out M1 Macbook Air it's $2,049.00 with 2TB of drive space. The maxed out frame.work costs $1,917.00 with a 100 dollar deposit and that doesn't have a drive in because I don't trust WD with my data. If we add a 2 TB drive the cost is $2,316.00 or $2,416.00 with deposit. Granted there are some trade offs. Take for instance the frame.work has more memory, but the dell xps has a 4k screen. I don't see any costs savings here and I still have to open this thing up, source a drive and put it all together which means I'm spending additional money on this.

nicoburns 5y ago
It might still end up cheaper if you can say, buy less RAM today then upgrade in future when it's cheaper rather than needing to max it out today to future proof because it's soldered on.
pjerem 5y ago
Well, the price of parts of the DIY edition are really comparable to market price. Price is not that much higher if the promise to be able to keep upgraded is fulfilled, I totally can see this laptop being used (and upgraded) for at least a decade. There is literally nothing on the market that is equivalent to the PC tower you upgrade through years. And I truly love that they made the choice to use USB-C instead of proprietary connectors for the modules. It means that if the market really exists, we can hope for third party components.
amarshall 5y ago
These comparisons are pretty useless because “maxed-out” means different things for each model. Maxed out M1 has a whopping 16 GB RAM, XPS has 32 GB, and Framework has 64 GB. Never mind that it doesn’t even seem you actually “maxed-out” either because I just made a XPS 13 Developer that costs US$2,459. So now you’re just comparing arbitrarily different specs.
filmgirlcw 5y ago
So FWIW, I got an XPS 13 9310 at the end of June for $1799 (marked down $200 because of a Costco special) that had an 1185G7, 32GB of RAM, 4K screen, 1TB hard drive. I also configured an almost identical DIY Framework (which will hopefully arrive today) with a bunch of extra modules (Dell just has two USB-C ports and a micro-SD). The drive-out price on the Costco (with tax, which is 10.25% in Seattle) was $1940.38. The drive out cost on my Framework, which has a better network card, faster RAM (though the Dell RAM is soldered so it is better for battery), an SN850 SSD (I trust WD for the high-end gen4 SSDs), and better port options, was $2032.00. I could have shaved off more than $100 if I chose a different port selection (I got 8 total modules) and didn't get the AC adapter and I could have saved further money if I had chosen the SN759 and the non VPro WiFi adapter (which I probably should have in retrospect) For $90 extra, I get something repairable, something that that will let me upgrade to 64GB of RAM (32GB is the max on the XPS 13), and something more versatile from a port perspective. Framework didn't charge tax (that will change, I'm sure as soon as they sell the required amount in various states), but even if we account for that, that would leave us at $2240.38. I'm personally willing to pay a 10% penalty for having something more repairable and sustainable. (Also need to factor in the cost of a Costco membership That said -- I just checked Dell's website and the Developer Edition with an i7 (1165G7 or 1185G7), 32GB of RAM, a 1TB SSD and 4K screen is $2159.00 before tax. So that's $80 more than my identically configured Framework, but with a lower quality SSD and WiFi adapter. The Dell has a better screen -- though I prefer the 3:2 aspect ratio of the Framework/Surface/Matebook X Pro). I understand you CAN get a cheaper laptop, but as someone who will be returning the XPS as soon as the Framework arrives (assuming it is half as good as the reviews have been), I'm looking at something that costs the exact same and is also more sustainable. edited to correct the price different between the XPS with tax and the Framework without. It is $90 difference vs $70.
freeopinion 5y ago
Don't forget that you'll need a backpack or something to carry it. And you'll have to unzip the carrying case and put the laptop in or pull the laptop out yourself. And you have to unfold or fold the laptop, too. This is exactly like the Dell or Lenovo. There's no difference at all. This laptop has not innovated in any way or have any features whatsoever that might distinguish it. /s If you don't see value for yourself in the obvious differences of this laptop, fine. But why snipe? I don't care for the Intel board, so I will wait to see if they can produce an interesting Ryzen card. But that doesn't mean that others should wait. It's awesome work. They deserve a congratulations.