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Same with my samsung tablet forcing itself to update. "You can dismiss this 1 more time" - why? It's my device I paid for it. It's very tiresome. What device ca

Same with my samsung tablet forcing itself to update. "You can dismiss this 1 more time" - why? It's my device I paid for it. It's very tiresome. What device can I buy that's just mine to do as I please. On desktop I'm already on Linux Mint. Looking for alts for phone and tablet.

ukd1 5y ago
Librem phones, or PinePhone / PineTab. The speed and quality aren't comparable to an iPhone, but to be fair it's open AND a 1/5th the price.
mschuster91 5y ago
I somewhat understand Samsung a bit. The amount of never updated Android devices that could be updated is immense, and support calls for long-banished issues that could be solved by a simple update are pointless and a waste of resources. The problem is that users suffer from "update fatigue" because they have to be (rightfully) afraid of entire UI overhauls or even more bugs after updates since no one does QA any more but follows the "bananaware" principle instead - software ripens at the customer's home. And app stores don't exactly make things easy because there is always only one version that can be updated to - no app store, including F-Droid, has an easy way to have one app with multiple concurrently available versions.
- edoceo 5y ago
  Should call it avocado-ware. Almost ready when you buy it, perfect the next day(update1) but then mushy-shit the next (update2). Also, store them in the fridge
  - CyanBird 5y ago
    > Also, store them in the fridge After you open them, yeah In Chile at least, when we buy not quite ready avocado's we wrap them on newspaper, it helps them mature and become softer faster, people have done this for at least since I have been alive and it works well
    - edoceo 5y ago
      My issue (NW USA) is they arrive ready and ripen too fast. The fridge makes it slower.
- Brian_K_White 5y ago
  fdroid does let you see and install previous versions perfectly simply. One day SlimSocial broke. I pulled up the app in fdroid only exoecting to see a changelog for some recent update, but was pleasantly suprised to see this perfectly obvious and convenient Versions pull-down to install old versions. I used it, and it worked.
  - mschuster91 5y ago
    Sure, but there is no way to have, say, a v1 branch and a v2 branch with the same app ID.
    - Brian_K_White 5y ago
      I think that is an OS limitation not an app store limitation, and still disproves the claim that no appstore not even fdroid allows installing old versions or makes it easy. fdroid does allow it and even makes it easy. For branches, lots of app developers just make a new app for that, and those can be installed concurrently. You can't do it conveniently yourself as an end user, the app developer has to do it. But they would probably have to publish branches too, so nodifference.
- jacquesm 5y ago
  And people would upgrade if an upgrade wouldn't typically either be a risk to cause data loss, brick the device, downgrade it, mess up hardware support, install spyware, telemetry and other junk.
GekkePrutser 5y ago
> "You can dismiss this 1 more time" - why? It's my device I paid for it. That's not just mobiles either.. Windows 10 does the same :( Sure it's nice for the average joe soap not turning their machine into a botnet node but I hate coming back to my PC and find it has rebooted while it was running some task for me.. Grrrr.
- Silhouette 5y ago
  Sure it's nice for the average joe soap not turning their machine into a botnet node It is, but we should really stop tolerating that as an argument for mandatory updates. Enabling security updates by default on Windows editions not intended to be professionally managed would be sufficient to achieve most or all of the same benefits without imposing the much-criticised costs to users. The same argument holds for other tech that wants to force changes in behaviour and/or phone-home behaviour on its buyer/owner/user once the purchase is completed, including almost any device associated with the word "smart".
  - userbinator 5y ago
    I'm pretty convinced that people in the big corps are using "security" as the excuse to shove in whatever else they want, just because they can.
abawany 5y ago
Consider looking at CalyxOS, DivestOS, e.Foundation, or GrapheneOS on devices they respectively support as well. I recently got a (cheap) Pixel C to try out DivestOS and was very pleased in spite of some device-specific compromises (bootloader can't be relocked, stuck at Android 8.x but with current/on-going patches).

ukd1 5y ago

Librem phones, or PinePhone / PineTab. The speed and quality aren't comparable to an iPhone, but to be fair it's open AND a 1/5th the price.

mschuster91 5y ago

I somewhat understand Samsung a bit. The amount of never updated Android devices that could be updated is immense, and support calls for long-banished issues that could be solved by a simple update are pointless and a waste of resources. The problem is that users suffer from "update fatigue" because they have to be (rightfully) afraid of entire UI overhauls or even more bugs after updates since no one does QA any more but follows the "bananaware" principle instead - software ripens at the customer's home. And app stores don't exactly make things easy because there is always only one version that can be updated to - no app store, including F-Droid, has an easy way to have one app with multiple concurrently available versions.

edoceo 5y ago
Should call it avocado-ware. Almost ready when you buy it, perfect the next day(update1) but then mushy-shit the next (update2). Also, store them in the fridge
- CyanBird 5y ago
  > Also, store them in the fridge After you open them, yeah In Chile at least, when we buy not quite ready avocado's we wrap them on newspaper, it helps them mature and become softer faster, people have done this for at least since I have been alive and it works well
  - edoceo 5y ago
    My issue (NW USA) is they arrive ready and ripen too fast. The fridge makes it slower.
Brian_K_White 5y ago
fdroid does let you see and install previous versions perfectly simply. One day SlimSocial broke. I pulled up the app in fdroid only exoecting to see a changelog for some recent update, but was pleasantly suprised to see this perfectly obvious and convenient Versions pull-down to install old versions. I used it, and it worked.
- mschuster91 5y ago
  Sure, but there is no way to have, say, a v1 branch and a v2 branch with the same app ID.
  - Brian_K_White 5y ago
    I think that is an OS limitation not an app store limitation, and still disproves the claim that no appstore not even fdroid allows installing old versions or makes it easy. fdroid does allow it and even makes it easy. For branches, lots of app developers just make a new app for that, and those can be installed concurrently. You can't do it conveniently yourself as an end user, the app developer has to do it. But they would probably have to publish branches too, so nodifference.
jacquesm 5y ago
And people would upgrade if an upgrade wouldn't typically either be a risk to cause data loss, brick the device, downgrade it, mess up hardware support, install spyware, telemetry and other junk.

GekkePrutser 5y ago

> "You can dismiss this 1 more time" - why? It's my device I paid for it. That's not just mobiles either.. Windows 10 does the same :( Sure it's nice for the average joe soap not turning their machine into a botnet node but I hate coming back to my PC and find it has rebooted while it was running some task for me.. Grrrr.

Silhouette 5y ago
Sure it's nice for the average joe soap not turning their machine into a botnet node It is, but we should really stop tolerating that as an argument for mandatory updates. Enabling security updates by default on Windows editions not intended to be professionally managed would be sufficient to achieve most or all of the same benefits without imposing the much-criticised costs to users. The same argument holds for other tech that wants to force changes in behaviour and/or phone-home behaviour on its buyer/owner/user once the purchase is completed, including almost any device associated with the word "smart".
- userbinator 5y ago
  I'm pretty convinced that people in the big corps are using "security" as the excuse to shove in whatever else they want, just because they can.

abawany 5y ago

Consider looking at CalyxOS, DivestOS, e.Foundation, or GrapheneOS on devices they respectively support as well. I recently got a (cheap) Pixel C to try out DivestOS and was very pleased in spite of some device-specific compromises (bootloader can't be relocked, stuck at Android 8.x but with current/on-going patches).