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I see the founder @nrp replying to a few comments here. @nrp, can you comment on upcoming models? Would love to have a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable

I see the founder @nrp replying to a few comments here. @nrp, can you comment on upcoming models? Would love to have a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable ports but with a beefier processor and much larger memory capacities. The larger frames might allow for more ports, but I'm not sure if you're limited by the number of PCIe lanes on these processors. I think a Ryzen offering would also be welcomed. Lastly thanks so much for this product and for first-class Linux support.

gtirloni 5y ago
Do you need more than 64GB of memory?
- getcrunk 5y ago
  I think 16-32 is the sweet spot. For specific use case I could see 64. But beyond that it would be <.1% of users. Like u would want a thread ripper or 2s at that point
  - distalx 5y ago
    What are some practice applications/usecases for that much (64) memory? I'm in the process of building a PC and I'm trying to figure out what ram size should I go for.
    - kirubakaran 5y ago
      More than a few tabs of Chrome will do it.
    - eitland 5y ago
      I can work comfortably with docker, WSL2 (VS Code remote), 2 IntelliJ, VS Code and 2 versions of Firefox (developer edition and normal, for a total of 6 windows and up to a few hundred tabs ) on 32GB. If you have complex virtual setups (or use Chrome, according to some, I won't known since I barely touch it these days) then you might need it.
    - progman32 5y ago
      Some ideas. - VMs for testing eat up memory fast. - A deep disk IO cache dramatically speeds up some workloads, even if processes aren't allocating the memory themselves. - Running a bunch of microservices locally (we have a webpack-based app that eats 16GiB easy - yes, yes... we're working on it). I think 64 is a bit extreme these days for a personal computer if you're not running a stack of VMs. Servers are a different story, of course.
mixmastamyk 5y ago
Definitely need one with a larger screen.
varispeed 5y ago
I would also ask for a better keyboard. The one currently offered (at least with the model I am interested in), is not fit for purpose when it comes to development.
- codethief 5y ago
  More generally, I would love if the custom keyboard community jumped on this bandwagon and we saw ergonomic keyboards (and a trackpoint) for the Framework laptop.
  - getcrunk 5y ago
    That would be amazing. Omg low profile blues with a nipple. 60%kb
  - rgoulter 5y ago
    I pestered in one of the other HN threads about the Framework laptop that having ortholinear keys would be cool. It's technically feasible, but would be too expensive without sufficient quantity being made. Looks to me that to allow for even the low-profile Kailh choc switches, the laptop would need to be much thicker. (The DIY laptop is 15mm thick. My PCB+kailh+bumpons keyboard is 14mm thick). https://github.com/saoto28/pineapple60 https://github.com/saoto28/pineapple60 This (for the ThinkPad T470) barely fits, and that laptop is 24mm thick.
    - codethief 5y ago
      Thanks for the comment! Mechanical switches would definitely be cool but to be honest I'd already be happy with a different (more ergonomical) layout. :)
- zerocrates 5y ago
  What changes are you interested in for the keyboard? I find it much better than the keyboard I'm currently typing on, a newer XPS 13: better travel and spacing. But I assume you'd find the XPS keyboard just as lacking, if not more.
commoner 5y ago
If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick (and 3 physical mouse buttons between the keys and the touchpad), it would be a very strong contender against ThinkPads. Lenovo has handicapped recent ThinkPad models with soldered memory, and the TrackPoint is their only remaining unique feature. Framework community discussion: https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint
- ksec 5y ago
  >If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick Patents?
  - twothumbsup 5y ago
    the exact thinkpad style is probably patented but it's a pointing stick, a feature common across laptops in the past. I know for sure that some Dells (TrackStick) and HPs (PointStick) had them.
  - fomine3 5y ago
    But they produce ThinkPad during nearly 30 years, is there any patents still alive?
  - reirob 5y ago
    If other companies can provide keyboards with a TrackPoint [1], then I think it should be possible - disclaimer, I have such an external keyboard, the Shinobi, and the TrackPoint movement (on Linux) is actually better and more accurate than on my ThinkPad laptop. [1]: https://tex.com.tw/ https://tex.com.tw/
- poetaster 5y ago
  Do lenovo really control those? I thought they were expired HP patents?
- poetaster 5y ago
  Oh, yes, lenovo, via ibm but expired 2017.
pwdisswordfish8 5y ago
> a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable ports but with a beefier processor and much larger memory capacities In other words, you don't really want this laptop at all.
dharmab 5y ago
If the current form factor adds a Ryzen option, I will buy one to replace my aging Macbook Air.

gtirloni 5y ago

Do you need more than 64GB of memory?

getcrunk 5y ago
I think 16-32 is the sweet spot. For specific use case I could see 64. But beyond that it would be <.1% of users. Like u would want a thread ripper or 2s at that point
- distalx 5y ago
  What are some practice applications/usecases for that much (64) memory? I'm in the process of building a PC and I'm trying to figure out what ram size should I go for.
  - kirubakaran 5y ago
    More than a few tabs of Chrome will do it.
  - eitland 5y ago
    I can work comfortably with docker, WSL2 (VS Code remote), 2 IntelliJ, VS Code and 2 versions of Firefox (developer edition and normal, for a total of 6 windows and up to a few hundred tabs ) on 32GB. If you have complex virtual setups (or use Chrome, according to some, I won't known since I barely touch it these days) then you might need it.
  - progman32 5y ago
    Some ideas. - VMs for testing eat up memory fast. - A deep disk IO cache dramatically speeds up some workloads, even if processes aren't allocating the memory themselves. - Running a bunch of microservices locally (we have a webpack-based app that eats 16GiB easy - yes, yes... we're working on it). I think 64 is a bit extreme these days for a personal computer if you're not running a stack of VMs. Servers are a different story, of course.

mixmastamyk 5y ago

Definitely need one with a larger screen.

varispeed 5y ago

I would also ask for a better keyboard. The one currently offered (at least with the model I am interested in), is not fit for purpose when it comes to development.

codethief 5y ago
More generally, I would love if the custom keyboard community jumped on this bandwagon and we saw ergonomic keyboards (and a trackpoint) for the Framework laptop.
- getcrunk 5y ago
  That would be amazing. Omg low profile blues with a nipple. 60%kb
- rgoulter 5y ago
  I pestered in one of the other HN threads about the Framework laptop that having ortholinear keys would be cool. It's technically feasible, but would be too expensive without sufficient quantity being made. Looks to me that to allow for even the low-profile Kailh choc switches, the laptop would need to be much thicker. (The DIY laptop is 15mm thick. My PCB+kailh+bumpons keyboard is 14mm thick). https://github.com/saoto28/pineapple60 https://github.com/saoto28/pineapple60 This (for the ThinkPad T470) barely fits, and that laptop is 24mm thick.
  - codethief 5y ago
    Thanks for the comment! Mechanical switches would definitely be cool but to be honest I'd already be happy with a different (more ergonomical) layout. :)
zerocrates 5y ago
What changes are you interested in for the keyboard? I find it much better than the keyboard I'm currently typing on, a newer XPS 13: better travel and spacing. But I assume you'd find the XPS keyboard just as lacking, if not more.

commoner 5y ago

If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick (and 3 physical mouse buttons between the keys and the touchpad), it would be a very strong contender against ThinkPads. Lenovo has handicapped recent ThinkPad models with soldered memory, and the TrackPoint is their only remaining unique feature. Framework community discussion: https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint https://community.frame.work/t/any-chance-of-trackpoint

ksec 5y ago
>If the Framework Laptop had a keyboard option with a TrackPoint-style pointing stick Patents?
- twothumbsup 5y ago
  the exact thinkpad style is probably patented but it's a pointing stick, a feature common across laptops in the past. I know for sure that some Dells (TrackStick) and HPs (PointStick) had them.
- fomine3 5y ago
  But they produce ThinkPad during nearly 30 years, is there any patents still alive?
- reirob 5y ago
  If other companies can provide keyboards with a TrackPoint [1], then I think it should be possible - disclaimer, I have such an external keyboard, the Shinobi, and the TrackPoint movement (on Linux) is actually better and more accurate than on my ThinkPad laptop. [1]: https://tex.com.tw/ https://tex.com.tw/
poetaster 5y ago
Do lenovo really control those? I thought they were expired HP patents?
poetaster 5y ago
Oh, yes, lenovo, via ibm but expired 2017.

pwdisswordfish8 5y ago

> a 15" or 17" model with the same swappable ports but with a beefier processor and much larger memory capacities In other words, you don't really want this laptop at all.

dharmab 5y ago

If the current form factor adds a Ryzen option, I will buy one to replace my aging Macbook Air.