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You are contradicting yourself. You say this is about getting things under control, but then you say there is no way of controlling things. Because vaccinated

You are contradicting yourself. You say this is about getting things under control, but then you say there is no way of controlling things. Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. You say ‘it will probably be a common cold, once humans have enough antibodies’. Humans do not get permanent antibodies from the vaccines. They get antibodies from getting infected. Lockdowns and vaccines only delay the inevitable. The only argument there is is that vaccinated people get less seriously ill than unvaccinated people. But then it affects only themselves so it’s pretty hard to argue for schemes that force people to get vaccinated against their will.

heavyset_go 5y ago
> Humans do not get permanent antibodies from the vaccines. They get antibodies from getting infected. Weird, I've yet to get chicken pox/shingles, mumps, polio etc despite being vaccinated against them as a child. And I still catch the flu regularly despite having already had it.
- inglor_cz 5y ago
  Not the OP, but antibodies are just one part of a fairly complex immune system and it does not make too much sense to concentrate just on them. Antibodies are proteins and their level goes down over time naturally. What really interests you is the level of immune response on subsequent exposure to the pathogen, which may be pretty robust even if antibodies are low or undetectable at the moment of new exposure. We obviously do not know yet whether we can get permanently robust immune response to SARS-CoV-2, either from vaccines or from natural infection; the virus is only two years old. We know that we can get permanently robust immune response to the viruses you mentioned in your post. But this cannot be easily generalized to any new virus that comes along.
  - tinus_hn 5y ago
    We actually do know that we can not get permanent robust immune response to COVID-19 from the vaccines that are in use because the statistics are already there, immunity starts wearing off after about 6 months. That’s why the new push is for ‘booster shots’.
    - inglor_cz 5y ago
      To which degree is this statistic confounded by the Delta mutation emerging? The original strain upon which the current vaccines are based has basically died out and Delta carries a lot more viral load (400x or so?), which changes the game a bit. In comparison, smallpox virus was pretty much the same across centuries, so it was comparably easy to target and eradicate. No animal hosts helped, too.
      - tinus_hn 5y ago
        Covid-19 is impossible to eradicate as it spreads through animals, forget that idea. Pfizer themselves have performed studies that show immunity declining. I do know that they tell from the levels of antibodies seen in blood but I don’t know if the effect of variants has been measured (if it can be measured at all without unethical experiments).
  - evilpotatoes 5y ago
    https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v... <- natural immunity is pretty long-lived https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... <-- 6x better than fresh vaccine after a year or so, 13x better in a 4-6 month period after
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  Now try getting the flu vaccine (it exists!) and see if you will ever catch it again.
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p_j_w 5y ago
You've made it abundantly clear here that you don't know what you're talking about, so you perhaps should just stop talking at all on the matter. >Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. Delaying the progression DOES help get things under control. >The only argument there is is that vaccinated people get less seriously ill No it's not. Vaccinated people are less likely to get ill at all, get seriously ill, or spread the virus.
- penultimatebro 5y ago
  You were doing so well until the last sentence. Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the delta variant. If you disagree, please post your proof. Until then, please stop spreading misinformation.

heavyset_go 5y ago

> Humans do not get permanent antibodies from the vaccines. They get antibodies from getting infected. Weird, I've yet to get chicken pox/shingles, mumps, polio etc despite being vaccinated against them as a child. And I still catch the flu regularly despite having already had it.

inglor_cz 5y ago
Not the OP, but antibodies are just one part of a fairly complex immune system and it does not make too much sense to concentrate just on them. Antibodies are proteins and their level goes down over time naturally. What really interests you is the level of immune response on subsequent exposure to the pathogen, which may be pretty robust even if antibodies are low or undetectable at the moment of new exposure. We obviously do not know yet whether we can get permanently robust immune response to SARS-CoV-2, either from vaccines or from natural infection; the virus is only two years old. We know that we can get permanently robust immune response to the viruses you mentioned in your post. But this cannot be easily generalized to any new virus that comes along.
- tinus_hn 5y ago
  We actually do know that we can not get permanent robust immune response to COVID-19 from the vaccines that are in use because the statistics are already there, immunity starts wearing off after about 6 months. That’s why the new push is for ‘booster shots’.
  - inglor_cz 5y ago
    To which degree is this statistic confounded by the Delta mutation emerging? The original strain upon which the current vaccines are based has basically died out and Delta carries a lot more viral load (400x or so?), which changes the game a bit. In comparison, smallpox virus was pretty much the same across centuries, so it was comparably easy to target and eradicate. No animal hosts helped, too.
    - tinus_hn 5y ago
      Covid-19 is impossible to eradicate as it spreads through animals, forget that idea. Pfizer themselves have performed studies that show immunity declining. I do know that they tell from the levels of antibodies seen in blood but I don’t know if the effect of variants has been measured (if it can be measured at all without unethical experiments).
- evilpotatoes 5y ago
  https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.04.19.21255739v... <- natural immunity is pretty long-lived https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v1 https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.24.21262415v... <-- 6x better than fresh vaccine after a year or so, 13x better in a 4-6 month period after
tinus_hn 5y ago
Now try getting the flu vaccine (it exists!) and see if you will ever catch it again.

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p_j_w 5y ago

You've made it abundantly clear here that you don't know what you're talking about, so you perhaps should just stop talking at all on the matter. >Because vaccinated people can still spread infections vaccinations, just like lockdowns, do not help ‘getting things under control’. They only delay progression of the pandemic. Delaying the progression DOES help get things under control. >The only argument there is is that vaccinated people get less seriously ill No it's not. Vaccinated people are less likely to get ill at all, get seriously ill, or spread the virus.

penultimatebro 5y ago
You were doing so well until the last sentence. Vaccinated people are just as likely to spread the delta variant. If you disagree, please post your proof. Until then, please stop spreading misinformation.