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Oh, we have acknowledged it. The question is, have our politicians acknowledged it, or will they keep taking our rights?

by bsksi 5y ago

JohnWhigham 5y ago
Stop downvoting this, it's a legitimate question. When are we going to stop all the policy bullshit, accept that it is endemic, and get back to normalcy as much as we can? It's wearing on everybody.
kimbernator 5y ago
The acknowledgement of it being endemic doesn't necessitate that we put up with covid's destructive nature. It's still the case that: 1. A large number of people globally don't have access to the vaccine yet. 2. A large proportion of the USA's population either doesn't feel motivated to get the vaccine or is explicitly opposed to it. There will come a day where we collectively say that enough is enough and we've done all we can, but there is still a lot of work to do before we get to that point. Managing the spread and improving vaccination numbers will overall reduce the damage done to people and the health system when we reach that point.
titzer 5y ago
Try going out in public naked or running a few red lights and then come back and troll some more about your "rights". The world is full of rules to prevent you from being a jerk and endangering others.
- bsaul 5y ago
  rules preventing you from doing something is one thing, but injecting a new product some people still have doubts about (no matter if they're correct or not) is a very different matter. I'm amazed that people still come with the "safety belt" argument. We've had decades of increase protections about food additives, GMOs, hormones in animals, etc on the principle of precaution with everything related to health, because things in this matter are complex. And now for some reason, we should stop thinking about tradeoffs and unknown unknowns over long terms consequences eventhough we're talking about treating the whole world population.
  - titzer 5y ago
    You gotta be joking, right? You realize the same people who are mouthing off about freedom believe in absolutely zero protections for consumers against food additives and are in a constant state of denial about environmental pollution that has drastically harmed human health and ecosystems right? They very same politicians hemming about freedoms and how vaccines are dangerous just give carte blanche to the marketplace to push whatever preservatives and addiction-inducing flavor molecules into foods are the most successful at jacking up the GDP. All the protections that you mentioned have been over the objections of the exact politicians that you no doubt support because they believe in "freedoms". Or whatever. You gotta get the MMR vaccine to go to a public school. You gotta get Tetanus and other vaccines to go to college.
    - babesh 5y ago
      Totally not true about tetanus and other vaccines to go to college. EDIT: Meningitis is the exception.
      - titzer 5y ago
        This is where I went to undergrad: https://www.purdue.edu/push/Immunization/ https://www.purdue.edu/push/Immunization/
        babesh 5y ago
        Go look at ALL the other colleges. That is only one. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/features/vaccines-for-college-students https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/features/vaccines-for-college... EDIT: Example, University of Texas, https://www.healthyhorns.utexas.edu/requiredvaccine/ https://www.healthyhorns.utexas.edu/requiredvaccine/ Meningitis and measles
    - bsaul 5y ago
      Your comment is pretty interesting, because i've had the intimate suspicion that the debate around public health measure to fight covid have been rendered impossible because of the trump / biden US election. The Dem vs Rep political fight seems to be ruining every single scientific debate it gets a hold on. FYI: i'm french, so i have absolutely no interest in that Dem vs Rep debate, and people here i know that are the most reluctant about vaccination with mRNA vaccines are the ones that are the closest to being ecologist activists. EDIT: as for other compulsory vaccines, that's why i mentioned "new product" / technology. We're not even talking about a new vaccine, we're talking about a completely new technology to produce an immunity response.
- babesh 5y ago
  Going out in the public naked is actually accepted in some parts of the world and it is a lot 'closer' than you think. For instance, go to one of the beaches right in Barcelona, topless. Another example, go to Baker Beach in SF, topless and bottomless. A third example, go to beaches in some of the Greek islands, topless and bottomless. Another example, in the summer, do you see men go around topless? Yet another example, go to bathhouses in Turkey or Japan. Yet another example, go to your local gym's locker room. Yet another example, all those tribal peoples that you read about. Many of them were topless and were often bottomless. Yet another example. Go to the Folsom Street Parade or Bay to Breakers in SF. How is this endangering anyone other than your prudishness that you want to impose on others?
- refurb 5y ago
  Your argument comes down to "we limit your rights in other ways, so limiting your rights in this way should be accepted". That's not a very convincing argument - it could be applied to anything. "We force you to show ID to fly on a plane, so being forced to show ID to access the internet should be accepted".

Oh, we have acknowledged it. The question is, have our politicians acknowledged it, or will they keep taking our rights?

by bsksi 5y ago

Oh, we have acknowledged it. The question is, have our politicians acknowledged it, or will they keep taking our rights?

JohnWhigham 5y ago

Stop downvoting this, it's a legitimate question. When are we going to stop all the policy bullshit, accept that it is endemic, and get back to normalcy as much as we can? It's wearing on everybody.

kimbernator 5y ago

The acknowledgement of it being endemic doesn't necessitate that we put up with covid's destructive nature. It's still the case that: 1. A large number of people globally don't have access to the vaccine yet. 2. A large proportion of the USA's population either doesn't feel motivated to get the vaccine or is explicitly opposed to it. There will come a day where we collectively say that enough is enough and we've done all we can, but there is still a lot of work to do before we get to that point. Managing the spread and improving vaccination numbers will overall reduce the damage done to people and the health system when we reach that point.

titzer 5y ago

Try going out in public naked or running a few red lights and then come back and troll some more about your "rights". The world is full of rules to prevent you from being a jerk and endangering others.

bsaul 5y ago
rules preventing you from doing something is one thing, but injecting a new product some people still have doubts about (no matter if they're correct or not) is a very different matter. I'm amazed that people still come with the "safety belt" argument. We've had decades of increase protections about food additives, GMOs, hormones in animals, etc on the principle of precaution with everything related to health, because things in this matter are complex. And now for some reason, we should stop thinking about tradeoffs and unknown unknowns over long terms consequences eventhough we're talking about treating the whole world population.
- titzer 5y ago
  You gotta be joking, right? You realize the same people who are mouthing off about freedom believe in absolutely zero protections for consumers against food additives and are in a constant state of denial about environmental pollution that has drastically harmed human health and ecosystems right? They very same politicians hemming about freedoms and how vaccines are dangerous just give carte blanche to the marketplace to push whatever preservatives and addiction-inducing flavor molecules into foods are the most successful at jacking up the GDP. All the protections that you mentioned have been over the objections of the exact politicians that you no doubt support because they believe in "freedoms". Or whatever. You gotta get the MMR vaccine to go to a public school. You gotta get Tetanus and other vaccines to go to college.
  - babesh 5y ago
    Totally not true about tetanus and other vaccines to go to college. EDIT: Meningitis is the exception.
    - titzer 5y ago
      This is where I went to undergrad: https://www.purdue.edu/push/Immunization/ https://www.purdue.edu/push/Immunization/
      - babesh 5y ago
        Go look at ALL the other colleges. That is only one. https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/features/vaccines-for-college-students https://www.webmd.com/vaccines/features/vaccines-for-college... EDIT: Example, University of Texas, https://www.healthyhorns.utexas.edu/requiredvaccine/ https://www.healthyhorns.utexas.edu/requiredvaccine/ Meningitis and measles
  - bsaul 5y ago
    Your comment is pretty interesting, because i've had the intimate suspicion that the debate around public health measure to fight covid have been rendered impossible because of the trump / biden US election. The Dem vs Rep political fight seems to be ruining every single scientific debate it gets a hold on. FYI: i'm french, so i have absolutely no interest in that Dem vs Rep debate, and people here i know that are the most reluctant about vaccination with mRNA vaccines are the ones that are the closest to being ecologist activists. EDIT: as for other compulsory vaccines, that's why i mentioned "new product" / technology. We're not even talking about a new vaccine, we're talking about a completely new technology to produce an immunity response.
babesh 5y ago
Going out in the public naked is actually accepted in some parts of the world and it is a lot 'closer' than you think. For instance, go to one of the beaches right in Barcelona, topless. Another example, go to Baker Beach in SF, topless and bottomless. A third example, go to beaches in some of the Greek islands, topless and bottomless. Another example, in the summer, do you see men go around topless? Yet another example, go to bathhouses in Turkey or Japan. Yet another example, go to your local gym's locker room. Yet another example, all those tribal peoples that you read about. Many of them were topless and were often bottomless. Yet another example. Go to the Folsom Street Parade or Bay to Breakers in SF. How is this endangering anyone other than your prudishness that you want to impose on others?
refurb 5y ago
Your argument comes down to "we limit your rights in other ways, so limiting your rights in this way should be accepted". That's not a very convincing argument - it could be applied to anything. "We force you to show ID to fly on a plane, so being forced to show ID to access the internet should be accepted".