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Is it ok that this scares me? What if you’re accused of spreading misinformation and Apple pulls your license?

toomuchtodo 5y ago
You’d still have your physical ID. It would be reasonable for there to be statute that prohibits Apple from revoking your digital ID, as the state retains the property rights of the ID, not Apple. (beta tester in my state of this product)
- mrfusion 5y ago
  > You’d still have your physical ID. For now. In the future I could see a cost saving measure to be all digital. > It would be reasonable for there to be statute that prohibits Apple from revoking your digital ID There are a lot of reasonable statutes that should exist.
  - duxup 5y ago
    I think the idea that an id would be digital only but then you're beholden to whomever software runs it would be frowned upon by the courts pretty fast. Lots of 'software gone bad and dorked up someone's life' kinda situations out there but when it comes to IDs and simple interactions like presenting one the courts are pretty generally pretty reasonable. I would expect some physical ID to continue for a long time.
    - mrfusion 5y ago
      You’ve got a lot of faith in the courts. What if our government becomes more dysfunctional? What if court appointments become super partisan and the other tribe is appointing them?
      - duxup 5y ago
        >What if our government becomes more dysfunctional? You tell me. What are you proposing at that point? A physical ID is going to save you from anarchy?
        mrfusion 5y ago
        IMO physical is safer than digital but I could be wrong.
  - EA 5y ago
    I would guess that a physical ID makes the states and the economy a lot of money. It cost almost $40 to renew a license here in Alabama and it can be done in less than 15 minutes. It is a token that allows third parties to verify the ID of someone with pretty good accuracy.
nojito 5y ago
What? Apple doesn't control whether or not you have a Driver's License. This makes zero sense.
- gruez 5y ago
  I think his point is that apple can revoke access to your digital license.
  - nojito 5y ago
    How? That’s like saying Apple can cancel your digital credit cards. Apple has no say in invalidating your license.
    - CompuHacker 5y ago
      So far as I know, Apple can change arbitrary bits in the memory and file system of any online device they make. So, they can turn it off, change files, change the functioning of processes and apps, including removing any particular app. They can cause an iPhone to not display an image of or transmit the details of a drivers license, even if one is stored in the device, despite the effort of the user. But the status of being licensed to drive is kept in one or several databases controlled by one or many states or agencies. Similarly, the status of having a credit card is kept in a database controlled by at least one credit card company. Licenses and payment accounts can be verified for everyday use with less than 100bits even without a physical or digital representation of the card face available. If Apple can stop a device from transmitting or displaying license details, then I guess you'll... need either a physical copy or the license number.
      - nojito 5y ago
        This is beyond ludicrous. Your drivers license does not live with Apple nor does Apple control whether or not you have one.
        CompuHacker 5y ago

You’d still have your physical ID. It would be reasonable for there to be statute that prohibits Apple from revoking your digital ID, as the state retains the property rights of the ID, not Apple. (beta tester in my state of this product)

mrfusion 5y ago
> You’d still have your physical ID. For now. In the future I could see a cost saving measure to be all digital. > It would be reasonable for there to be statute that prohibits Apple from revoking your digital ID There are a lot of reasonable statutes that should exist.
- duxup 5y ago
  I think the idea that an id would be digital only but then you're beholden to whomever software runs it would be frowned upon by the courts pretty fast. Lots of 'software gone bad and dorked up someone's life' kinda situations out there but when it comes to IDs and simple interactions like presenting one the courts are pretty generally pretty reasonable. I would expect some physical ID to continue for a long time.
  - mrfusion 5y ago
    You’ve got a lot of faith in the courts. What if our government becomes more dysfunctional? What if court appointments become super partisan and the other tribe is appointing them?
    - duxup 5y ago
      >What if our government becomes more dysfunctional? You tell me. What are you proposing at that point? A physical ID is going to save you from anarchy?
      - mrfusion 5y ago
        IMO physical is safer than digital but I could be wrong.
- EA 5y ago
  I would guess that a physical ID makes the states and the economy a lot of money. It cost almost $40 to renew a license here in Alabama and it can be done in less than 15 minutes. It is a token that allows third parties to verify the ID of someone with pretty good accuracy.

nojito 5y ago

What? Apple doesn't control whether or not you have a Driver's License. This makes zero sense.

gruez 5y ago
I think his point is that apple can revoke access to your digital license.
- nojito 5y ago
  How? That’s like saying Apple can cancel your digital credit cards. Apple has no say in invalidating your license.
  - CompuHacker 5y ago
    So far as I know, Apple can change arbitrary bits in the memory and file system of any online device they make. So, they can turn it off, change files, change the functioning of processes and apps, including removing any particular app. They can cause an iPhone to not display an image of or transmit the details of a drivers license, even if one is stored in the device, despite the effort of the user. But the status of being licensed to drive is kept in one or several databases controlled by one or many states or agencies. Similarly, the status of having a credit card is kept in a database controlled by at least one credit card company. Licenses and payment accounts can be verified for everyday use with less than 100bits even without a physical or digital representation of the card face available. If Apple can stop a device from transmitting or displaying license details, then I guess you'll... need either a physical copy or the license number.
    - nojito 5y ago
      This is beyond ludicrous. Your drivers license does not live with Apple nor does Apple control whether or not you have one.
      - CompuHacker 5y ago