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This may have been true a few years ago, but eventually they will burn through qualified candidates. Every article I read about Amazon is how terrible it is to

This may have been true a few years ago, but eventually they will burn through qualified candidates. Every article I read about Amazon is how terrible it is to work there and that includes white collar jobs. I would have thought about working for Amazon as an inexperienced engineer, but at this point after getting just 3 YOE, I have way too many options to go work for Amazon, they would have to more then double my salary because Amazon is known for backloading pay, so you won't make that much money until you have been there 2+ years. As we all know, there is not an infinite number of experienced devs and Amazon is burning through them quickly

skohan 5y ago
Yes but how many thousands of new grads come into the job market every year? With the salary they're offering, there's always going to be demand. They might lose the best candidates, but I don't think they will have an issue long term.
- frankbreetz 5y ago
  I don't know if a company without any senior devs is going to make it long term. My point is even with a relatively small amount of experience, I have an unbelievable amount of opportunity, so I wouldn't take an Amazon job. If Amazon becomes a revolving door of new grads who are just trying to get a year or two experience and bolt, it will not be good for Amazon as a company and eventually and the Amazon stamp on your resume will loose its prestige, at which point even new grads won't want to work there. Amazon desperately needs to change its reputation.
  - skohan 5y ago
    Do you actually think this is at risk of happening? I understand the argument you are making, but it seems like Amazon is one of the most successful companies ever, and is absolutely printing money. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't know if this reality or whether this is what people wish would be the case for emotional reasons.
    - frankbreetz 5y ago
      Yes, absolutely it risk of happening. Lots of huge companies have either gone out of business for less. It's not a binary thing, it's a scale. Fact is Amazon could keep better engineers for longing if they weren't so cut throat and that is not helping them. Will they be able to stay successful regardless of this? Who knows, they will probably become worse at innovation, but they could potentially keep running their store and delivery for a long time without much innovation. You are probably right in regards to emotion, who doesn't want to see a company who treats workers like that fail? I still shop there, it is way too convenient and cheap.
      - verdverm 5y ago
        RE: IBM was the FAANG in the 70s and 80s

skohan 5y ago

Yes but how many thousands of new grads come into the job market every year? With the salary they're offering, there's always going to be demand. They might lose the best candidates, but I don't think they will have an issue long term.

frankbreetz 5y ago
I don't know if a company without any senior devs is going to make it long term. My point is even with a relatively small amount of experience, I have an unbelievable amount of opportunity, so I wouldn't take an Amazon job. If Amazon becomes a revolving door of new grads who are just trying to get a year or two experience and bolt, it will not be good for Amazon as a company and eventually and the Amazon stamp on your resume will loose its prestige, at which point even new grads won't want to work there. Amazon desperately needs to change its reputation.
- skohan 5y ago
  Do you actually think this is at risk of happening? I understand the argument you are making, but it seems like Amazon is one of the most successful companies ever, and is absolutely printing money. I'm not saying you are wrong, I just don't know if this reality or whether this is what people wish would be the case for emotional reasons.
  - frankbreetz 5y ago
    Yes, absolutely it risk of happening. Lots of huge companies have either gone out of business for less. It's not a binary thing, it's a scale. Fact is Amazon could keep better engineers for longing if they weren't so cut throat and that is not helping them. Will they be able to stay successful regardless of this? Who knows, they will probably become worse at innovation, but they could potentially keep running their store and delivery for a long time without much innovation. You are probably right in regards to emotion, who doesn't want to see a company who treats workers like that fail? I still shop there, it is way too convenient and cheap.
    - verdverm 5y ago
      RE: IBM was the FAANG in the 70s and 80s