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You can only blame corporations for slacking off and following "worst practices". Yes, all my friends' and family's computers run windows 8.1 embedded, without

You can only blame corporations for slacking off and following "worst practices". Yes, all my friends' and family's computers run windows 8.1 embedded, without updates, no AV, maxed out firewall. Yes, its insecure. Yes, microsoft decided not to have a separate update channel for security. Et cetera. It's a complete waste of time to roll back updates and drivers because Windows does something stupid by itself or makes very clickable popups to fool people. It's 2021 and Linux supports 99.999999% of software on the planet. Use it.

BrandoElFollito 5y ago
I am not sure if you have used Linux on desktop in any real life situation. For the record, I use Linux since 1994 when I did some dev for the kernel (not anything fancy, just some variations of code for a NIC). I use it since on all my servers. I also try, about once a year , to use it on the desktop for a week. It is pure torture, a system that is not even half baked for interactive usage.
- sofixa 5y ago
  > I also try, about once a year , to use it on the desktop for a week. It is pure torture, a system that is not even half baked for interactive usage You can't seriously claim that when there are lots ( millions? Tens of millions? Who knows) of people running various Linux distros as daily drivers. Hardware support can be spotty in some places depending on the specific hardware vendor ( but funnily enough old stuff works better under Linux than under Windows), and some things might not be as polished, but "pure torture" and "not even half baked" is a terrible exaggeration doing nobody any favours. For the record, I've been running Ubuntu since 2017 on a Dell XPS 13 ( not developer edition). I have the occasional bug ( mostly with third-party stuff like Teams, or the VPN client breaking my DNS config (it also does than on macOS), but sometimes if i connect more than 4 Bluetooth devices reconnecting one of them takes ~10s instead of <3s), but overall it works, the tooling i can ise natively ( Dockers, etc.) is awesome and I'm happy with it. And anecdotally, I've had less issues than some colleagues with Windows (also Dells) or macOS.
  - anthony_d 5y ago
    I’m not sure which part of the parent you’re claiming can’t be serious. It matches my experience very closely. I do have a hard time believing there are millions of people using Linux as their primary desktop OS though. Dev machines sure, but actual non-developers? Linux is great from a terminal. Using it as a daily OS with GUI is terrible. Every time I talk to someone who claims otherwise they end up dropping some sort of “sure, well _x_ took some work” or “well I don’t really care about _x_ anyway”. Maybe not bamboo splinters under your nails torture, but extremely unpleasant.
    - sofixa 5y ago
      Look around this thread, multiple people are saying they've installed Linux distros for relatives, even older ones, and it works. There are OSes and DEs designed to be easy for newcomers ( Pop OS, Cinnamon, etc.). Again, it isn't perfect, but no desktop OS is.
- Bancakes 5y ago
  I work and play on Linux. Sure, I screw around a lot on Arch and Clear, but my mainstay is Manjaro. Once a week something pops up but it's expected because I tinker a lot. Debian is totally fine for real-life situations.

BrandoElFollito 5y ago

I am not sure if you have used Linux on desktop in any real life situation. For the record, I use Linux since 1994 when I did some dev for the kernel (not anything fancy, just some variations of code for a NIC). I use it since on all my servers. I also try, about once a year , to use it on the desktop for a week. It is pure torture, a system that is not even half baked for interactive usage.

sofixa 5y ago
> I also try, about once a year , to use it on the desktop for a week. It is pure torture, a system that is not even half baked for interactive usage You can't seriously claim that when there are lots ( millions? Tens of millions? Who knows) of people running various Linux distros as daily drivers. Hardware support can be spotty in some places depending on the specific hardware vendor ( but funnily enough old stuff works better under Linux than under Windows), and some things might not be as polished, but "pure torture" and "not even half baked" is a terrible exaggeration doing nobody any favours. For the record, I've been running Ubuntu since 2017 on a Dell XPS 13 ( not developer edition). I have the occasional bug ( mostly with third-party stuff like Teams, or the VPN client breaking my DNS config (it also does than on macOS), but sometimes if i connect more than 4 Bluetooth devices reconnecting one of them takes ~10s instead of <3s), but overall it works, the tooling i can ise natively ( Dockers, etc.) is awesome and I'm happy with it. And anecdotally, I've had less issues than some colleagues with Windows (also Dells) or macOS.
- anthony_d 5y ago
  I’m not sure which part of the parent you’re claiming can’t be serious. It matches my experience very closely. I do have a hard time believing there are millions of people using Linux as their primary desktop OS though. Dev machines sure, but actual non-developers? Linux is great from a terminal. Using it as a daily OS with GUI is terrible. Every time I talk to someone who claims otherwise they end up dropping some sort of “sure, well _x_ took some work” or “well I don’t really care about _x_ anyway”. Maybe not bamboo splinters under your nails torture, but extremely unpleasant.
  - sofixa 5y ago
    Look around this thread, multiple people are saying they've installed Linux distros for relatives, even older ones, and it works. There are OSes and DEs designed to be easy for newcomers ( Pop OS, Cinnamon, etc.). Again, it isn't perfect, but no desktop OS is.
Bancakes 5y ago
I work and play on Linux. Sure, I screw around a lot on Arch and Clear, but my mainstay is Manjaro. Once a week something pops up but it's expected because I tinker a lot. Debian is totally fine for real-life situations.