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No, it’s not a standard procedure in any EU country I’m aware of. I’ve never heard of anybody outside of the UK sending payslips and doctor notes and reference

by mmarq 5y ago

No, it’s not a standard procedure in any EU country I’m aware of. I’ve never heard of anybody outside of the UK sending payslips and doctor notes and reference letters and mobile phone bills to prove their residence status. If hundreds of thousands of people weren’t at risk of deportation, the Settlement Scheme would not have been necessary.

mytailorisrich 5y ago
It is standard procedure in order to get formal proof of permanent residence. The thing is that no-one bothers with it because it is usually not needed. The procedure existed before the referendum, it did not change because of the result. What changed is that people suddenly thought that it may be useful and decided to apply. For instance, just to stay in English, if you're in Ireland this is the form: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form-EUTR2.pdf/Files/Form-EUTR2.pdf http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form-EUTR2.pdf/Files/Form-EUT... It's pretty much the exact same as the British one used to be, and as I already mentioned this is because it is based on an EU procedure, and so will be pretty much the same everywhere: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/eu-nationals-permanent-residence/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-fo... Note that some EU countries also require EU/EEA nationals to register with the police/local authorities, which the UK did not and so actually made life for EU citizens simpler that quite a few other EU countries. Another reality check here, apparently.
- mmarq 5y ago
  > Note that some EU countries also require EU/EEA nationals to register with the police/local authorities, which the UK did not and so actually made life for EU citizens simpler that quite a few other EU countries. Also in the UK you have to register with the local authorities (read the local council), but then the government pretends you didn’t and asks for doctor notes and TV license bills.
  - mytailorisrich 5y ago
    You certainly don't have to in the UK. In fact you cannot because that does not exist... I'm obviously talking about registration for foreigners as indicated in link I posted, not registering for council tax or on election roll, which are obviously completely different and apply to everyone. Also, I don't see why you would need doctor notes or TV license bills... I don't think you are being in good faith here and this is getting very tedious.
    - mmarq 5y ago
      You are mistaken, Italy and Germany do require all residents to register with local authorities (respectively “comune” and “bürgeramt”, which are roughly equivalent to the British local council) and not just foreigners. So it is the exact same thing. But in Italy that’s enough to prove your residence status 30 years from now, while the UK asks foreigners to send 5 year old doctor notes and council tax bills. If this weren’t a problem, the Windrush scandal would not have happened.

by mmarq 5y ago

mytailorisrich 5y ago

It is standard procedure in order to get formal proof of permanent residence. The thing is that no-one bothers with it because it is usually not needed. The procedure existed before the referendum, it did not change because of the result. What changed is that people suddenly thought that it may be useful and decided to apply. For instance, just to stay in English, if you're in Ireland this is the form: http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form-EUTR2.pdf/Files/Form-EUTR2.pdf http://www.inis.gov.ie/en/INIS/Form-EUTR2.pdf/Files/Form-EUT... It's pretty much the exact same as the British one used to be, and as I already mentioned this is because it is based on an EU procedure, and so will be pretty much the same everywhere: https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-formalities/eu-nationals-permanent-residence/index_en.htm https://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/residence/documents-fo... Note that some EU countries also require EU/EEA nationals to register with the police/local authorities, which the UK did not and so actually made life for EU citizens simpler that quite a few other EU countries. Another reality check here, apparently.

mmarq 5y ago
> Note that some EU countries also require EU/EEA nationals to register with the police/local authorities, which the UK did not and so actually made life for EU citizens simpler that quite a few other EU countries. Also in the UK you have to register with the local authorities (read the local council), but then the government pretends you didn’t and asks for doctor notes and TV license bills.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  You certainly don't have to in the UK. In fact you cannot because that does not exist... I'm obviously talking about registration for foreigners as indicated in link I posted, not registering for council tax or on election roll, which are obviously completely different and apply to everyone. Also, I don't see why you would need doctor notes or TV license bills... I don't think you are being in good faith here and this is getting very tedious.
  - mmarq 5y ago
    You are mistaken, Italy and Germany do require all residents to register with local authorities (respectively “comune” and “bürgeramt”, which are roughly equivalent to the British local council) and not just foreigners. So it is the exact same thing. But in Italy that’s enough to prove your residence status 30 years from now, while the UK asks foreigners to send 5 year old doctor notes and council tax bills. If this weren’t a problem, the Windrush scandal would not have happened.