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"TS should not have any influence" I argue it had a positive influence. Do you argue it had an undue influence?

junon 5y ago
Yes, though less on the language specifically and more on the ecosystem. Javascript library maintainers should not be berated like they (we) are when types are not added to libraries, for example, but these days it's an unspoken requirement.
- ludamad 5y ago
  Expectancy bloat in the ecosystem is a thing, but it's also democratic. So long as it's an unspoken requirement due to massive usage of typescript, I don't think it's undue influence. I don't always like the change of tides - I guess to a certain degree I say Javascript had an undue influence on my programming. But in other ways it's not undue, as there's clear market conditions etc
- mirekrusin 5y ago
  Sounds a bit far fetched, adding types to libraries is requirement for what, exactly?
  - junon 5y ago
    For the users who create snarky issues and demand them.
    - mirekrusin 5y ago
      Github community guidelines explicitly lists bullying and harrasement [0] as violations. It should be enough to mention it once in readme, refer to it, report abuse or block users in case of problems. Typescript community manages external typings for tons of libraries that don't want to support ts themselves. People can be referred to create type definitions themselves under DefinitelyTyped. [0] https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-community-guidelines#bullying-and-harassment https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-communi...
      - junon 5y ago
        No. Being rude and demanding should never violate community guidelines. That's how censorship starts. Their bullying and harassment guidelines are very clearly toward ad-hom types of remarks and beyond. Being on the receiving end of a dick comment about how not having typescript types is unacceptable and how I need to have them for one reason or another is never fun - but, assuming they don't personally attack me as an individual, I'll fight tooth and nail for them to make those comments as it pertains to the community guidelines. That's not to say I appreciate them or let them influence my maintainership, but they shouldn't be disallowed or cause for punitive action by any means.
        mirekrusin 5y ago
        Do you happen to have examples of those kind of demands?

Yes, though less on the language specifically and more on the ecosystem. Javascript library maintainers should not be berated like they (we) are when types are not added to libraries, for example, but these days it's an unspoken requirement.

ludamad 5y ago
Expectancy bloat in the ecosystem is a thing, but it's also democratic. So long as it's an unspoken requirement due to massive usage of typescript, I don't think it's undue influence. I don't always like the change of tides - I guess to a certain degree I say Javascript had an undue influence on my programming. But in other ways it's not undue, as there's clear market conditions etc
mirekrusin 5y ago
Sounds a bit far fetched, adding types to libraries is requirement for what, exactly?
- junon 5y ago
  For the users who create snarky issues and demand them.
  - mirekrusin 5y ago
    Github community guidelines explicitly lists bullying and harrasement [0] as violations. It should be enough to mention it once in readme, refer to it, report abuse or block users in case of problems. Typescript community manages external typings for tons of libraries that don't want to support ts themselves. People can be referred to create type definitions themselves under DefinitelyTyped. [0] https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-community-guidelines#bullying-and-harassment https://docs.github.com/en/github/site-policy/github-communi...
    - junon 5y ago
      No. Being rude and demanding should never violate community guidelines. That's how censorship starts. Their bullying and harassment guidelines are very clearly toward ad-hom types of remarks and beyond. Being on the receiving end of a dick comment about how not having typescript types is unacceptable and how I need to have them for one reason or another is never fun - but, assuming they don't personally attack me as an individual, I'll fight tooth and nail for them to make those comments as it pertains to the community guidelines. That's not to say I appreciate them or let them influence my maintainership, but they shouldn't be disallowed or cause for punitive action by any means.
      - mirekrusin 5y ago
        Do you happen to have examples of those kind of demands?