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I don’t understand the entitlement people from other countries feel to live in my country. I don’t feel the same entitlement to live in their country. Also, ju

I don’t understand the entitlement people from other countries feel to live in my country. I don’t feel the same entitlement to live in their country. Also, just because they are rich or can start a tech company doesn’t make them any more entitled to live wherever they want any more than anyone else. Just a very bizarre stance IMO and it seems one-sided.

gpderetta 5y ago
People from other EU countries were entitled to live in your (UK) country. Suddenly taking that right away did upend people lives.
- throwaway210222 5y ago
  True, but article 50 has always been part of the Treaty on European Union (TEU). So EU citizen moving to the UK must have known on the day they decided to migrate that their entitlement to live in the UK was always subject to this caveat. It may suck, but it was never an right that could never be revoked.
  - eCa 5y ago
    I think most EU citizens thought it was about as likely as California seceding the US.
  - ginko 5y ago
    Article 50 was only added in 2009.
- mytailorisrich 5y ago
  The life of EU citizens in the UK was not upended. For people who already qualified for permanent residence (i.e. who had been working in the UK for 5 years) nothing changed. For people who were in the UK for less than 5 years the automatic right to stay disappeared by in reality I believe that they were given so-called "pre-settled status" until they reach the 5 year mark and can stay as long as they want, from what I understand. Personally I like have proof of things so I had applied for proof of permanent residence (under EU law) before the UK actually left the EU (there was a gap of several years to do so after the referendum), which was quite straightforward, so moving to the new "settled status" only took a few minutes online. Of course, EU citizens who have been in the UK for 6+ years and have permanent residence can also apply for citizenship and forget about all of this altogether.
eCa 5y ago
A lot of British people living in Spain certainly have expressed a similar entitlement. And many of them voted for Brexit.
- CyberRabbi 5y ago
  That subset of British people similarly have a bizarre position IMO. Entitlement to live in a foreign country is misplaced regardless of your country of origin. The ability to live in another country has always been at the sole discretion of that country’s government.
nbraem 5y ago
A dice is rolled and you're born in the world in some country, borders drawn on a map centuries ago by a person from another country. A world sliced and diced by imaginary lines, making groups out of people that in the best case share some common "culture". You are saying that in this world, everyone needs to live in the little territory that they were born?
- CyberRabbi 5y ago
  > You are saying that in this world, everyone needs to live in the little territory that they were born? Of course not. I'm saying that in this world you are not entitled to live in other people's territory and you must first gain their permission to live in their territory. If you are able to make the prerequisite arrangements you should be free to live wherever you want.

gpderetta 5y ago

People from other EU countries were entitled to live in your (UK) country. Suddenly taking that right away did upend people lives.

throwaway210222 5y ago
True, but article 50 has always been part of the Treaty on European Union (TEU). So EU citizen moving to the UK must have known on the day they decided to migrate that their entitlement to live in the UK was always subject to this caveat. It may suck, but it was never an right that could never be revoked.
- eCa 5y ago
  I think most EU citizens thought it was about as likely as California seceding the US.
- ginko 5y ago
  Article 50 was only added in 2009.
mytailorisrich 5y ago
The life of EU citizens in the UK was not upended. For people who already qualified for permanent residence (i.e. who had been working in the UK for 5 years) nothing changed. For people who were in the UK for less than 5 years the automatic right to stay disappeared by in reality I believe that they were given so-called "pre-settled status" until they reach the 5 year mark and can stay as long as they want, from what I understand. Personally I like have proof of things so I had applied for proof of permanent residence (under EU law) before the UK actually left the EU (there was a gap of several years to do so after the referendum), which was quite straightforward, so moving to the new "settled status" only took a few minutes online. Of course, EU citizens who have been in the UK for 6+ years and have permanent residence can also apply for citizenship and forget about all of this altogether.

eCa 5y ago

A lot of British people living in Spain certainly have expressed a similar entitlement. And many of them voted for Brexit.

CyberRabbi 5y ago
That subset of British people similarly have a bizarre position IMO. Entitlement to live in a foreign country is misplaced regardless of your country of origin. The ability to live in another country has always been at the sole discretion of that country’s government.

nbraem 5y ago

A dice is rolled and you're born in the world in some country, borders drawn on a map centuries ago by a person from another country. A world sliced and diced by imaginary lines, making groups out of people that in the best case share some common "culture". You are saying that in this world, everyone needs to live in the little territory that they were born?

CyberRabbi 5y ago
> You are saying that in this world, everyone needs to live in the little territory that they were born? Of course not. I'm saying that in this world you are not entitled to live in other people's territory and you must first gain their permission to live in their territory. If you are able to make the prerequisite arrangements you should be free to live wherever you want.