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That sounds kind of nice in a weekend tinkering project way, but what about getting actual product made? If I'm using something like typescript, I download a fr
by overgard 5y ago
That sounds kind of nice in a weekend tinkering project way, but what about getting actual product made? If I'm using something like typescript, I download a free IDE, optionally install a couple plugins, and in ten minutes I'm productively actually making something and I can easily share it with the world for them to modify. The Lisp thing sounds like I spend the rest of my adult life trying to build the perfect setup instead of getting on with actually making something?
- diskzero 5y agoIt sounds like you have found a solution that works well for you. I don't like to tinker around with my coding environment, which is why I pay someone to do that for me. The primary purpose of my software development efforts is to ship products and generate revenue. Anything that I can do to optimize this process, I will do. If I thought using VSCode and Typescript would reduce costs and increase efficiency, I would use it. This simply isn't the case for my use case. If your primary use case is developing websites, then VSCode and Typescript are perfectly good solutions.
- overgard 5y agoI guess my main point though is that most other languages don't require complex/expensive tooling though. Like, I also use VSCode for writing C++ microcontroller code and writing python scripts or writing C# game code for Unity. And not just VSCode so I don't sound like a shill here, I'm also able to use the same set of unix utilities, other generic tools, etc. without having to adopt an entirely new tool stack. I just look at the Lisp situation and it's either something like Emacs which just does not appeal to me, or proprietary and expensive tools where I worry if the vendor will even be around in a few years
- brabel 5y agoI am moving away from VS Code and IntelliJ for this exact reason actually: on emacs, there's ALWAYS a package that supports anything you want. And it's so lightweight compared to either VSCode and IntelliJ, it's really refreshing... Have you tried emacs/SLIME? It really isn't complicated, in fact it's the most straightforward stack I've ever tried except for maybe JS right on the browser.
- srcreigh 5y agoIn March 2020, somebody asked PG what language/tech he would recommend for competitive advantage, if they were willing spent 1000 hours learning it ("Is it still LISP?"). He said Clojure. https://twitter.com/ndehouche/status/1240218141742878720 https://twitter.com/ndehouche/status/1240218141742878720 Personally, I like to imagine PG scoffing at the idea of spending only 1000 hours (6 months, 40 hours per week) learning Lisp, then sarcastically recommending Clojure aka macro-less, continuation-less, Java-lisp. You want to spend 10 minutes? Use Typescript! ;) (I love Typescript too btw.)