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I wish people in tech (in the US anyway) would stop making this particular claim > But software engineers are more likely to have mental health problems than t
by vector_spaces 5y ago
I wish people in tech (in the US anyway) would stop making this particular claim
> But software engineers are more likely to have mental health problems than those who perform mechanical labor, and I think our problem-oriented world-view has something to do with that.
I've heard this said before, and as someone with lifelong mental illness, and having spent a solid decade and a half of my life in low-wage "mechanical labor" roles prior to becoming a well-paid software engineer, I've always found this assertion to be very, very bizarre, and extremely out of touch. It's so clearly wrong given just a little bit of thought or research.
I don't want to minimize anyone's mental health situation. Techies suffer from mental illness too, it's true. But the reality is that, at least for most people suffering from mental illness, having your agency restricted exacerbates symptoms. And nothing restricts your agency like being low income. And to be sure, most (certainly not all) people in "mechanical labor" professions are low income.
When you're low income, you're forced to work jobs where you have to tolerate abuse from customers and managers, your work is largely not valued because you're completely fungible so you are treated like shit, and in some cases you have to endure operational abuse/humiliation like having to ask permission to use the bathroom. You have to endure long commutes, unpredictable schedules that change from week to week, and unstable/dangerous living conditions. And that's hardly the half of it.
That's not even to mention that being low income in the United States means it's somewhere between extremely challenging and impossible to 1. afford therapy/mental healthcare, 2. get time off from your job to go to therapy/psychiatric sessions.
Anyway, I'm glad that a source was finally cited this time. The source cited in turn cites this source
http://www.ijhssi.org/papers/v3(2)/Version-2/G0322052056.pdf http://www.ijhssi.org/papers/v3(2)/Version-2/G0322052056.pdf
Namely, an Indian paper which compares software developers with railway laborers and hospitality workers in India. I think it's pretty obvious that the findings here can't be safely generalized to the US -- there are serious economic differences and not to mention cultural differences at play here.
Anyway, I think it's an attractive fantasy among American engineers that low-waged workers are happy and uncomplicated and untormented by the same demons that torture the more sophisticated souls that sling code for a living. But it's absolute bullshit, and doing a small amount of research on this (not to mention talking to low income folks in your life about mental health) will show you that it's dead wrong.
- zestyping 5y agoThank you.
- southerntofu 5y ago> Anyway, I think it's an attractive fantasy among American engineers that low-waged workers are happy and uncomplicated and untormented by the same demons that torture the more sophisticated souls that sling code for a living. Overall, i agree with you. However, having worked both IT and non-IT jobs, and residing in a very low income neighborhood in western Europe, i have the feeling (nothing objective/scientific) that non-IT folks have a class consciousness that they're being screwed and they should worry as little as possible about work-related problems as long as they have a roof over their heads. Workers are usually conscious that the boss/manager is an exploitative asshole and that customers can be abusive entitled brats (however if the situation in the USA is 1/10th as bad as US TV shows suggest, then i can say for sure the situation here in Europe is really different and outside of luxury shops, workers eg. cashiers/waiters are expected to be treated with respect and the customer is not royalty). While in the IT world, there's a devotion to the entire capitalist apparatus and a denial of exploitative/abusive relationships, which appears to lead to greater mental anxiety and cognitive dissonance. I've seen plenty of people suffer from work-related injuries and handicaps, but in other fields than IT, i've never seen people willingly and consciously overwork themselves to that point. That's a very subjective, limited view of the topic, and i don't mean in any way that IT jobs aren't more comfortable than manual labor. But not every IT job is comfortable and the startup/company culture makes it very hard to say no to your boss, ensuring a culture of self-exploitation leading to burnout. In other fields, we have strong unions and habits to make the boss' life miserable by stealing supplies or sabotaging work... i don't hear of so many equivalents in the IT industries.