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Isn't 1080p way better for battery life + its mostly indistinguishable in pixels? unless you are like, looking really close at the pixels? remember its 1080p in

Isn't 1080p way better for battery life + its mostly indistinguishable in pixels? unless you are like, looking really close at the pixels? remember its 1080p inside a 15" monitor, not a 24" monitor a PC has.

MisterTea 5y ago
If you spend a lot of time reading/typing text on a computer, hiDPI helps as the text is a lot sharper. Though honestly I don't care as much and find that 1080 is an acceptable resolution for smaller screens (<= 22").
jagger27 5y ago
It's like no one here has used a MacBook before. They've been putting 2560 by 1600 displays in 13" MacBooks for what, a decade now?
- bluedino 5y ago
  Mac OS doesn't have all the goofy issues that Linux and Windows do when using hidpi/4k whatever screens.
  - sz4kerto 5y ago
    Windows has practically perfect hidpi nowadays. Also on moderately hidpi screens (eg 4K 32"), MacOS is extremely blurry.
- as1mov 5y ago
  Eh not really, I've used the hidpi MacBooks for work, it doesn't really make a big difference. I can tell the difference between a 1440p/4k and a 1080p screen, but it doesn't bother me to the point where I won't buy machines which don't have it, it's just a nice bonus.
SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
Very distinguishable after daily use of a MacBook Pro.
- LAC-Tech 5y ago
  Yeah ok but this is a computer for hackers, not people who decide what shade grey to make text on a website.
  - noahtallen 5y ago
    High DPI is great for text. It’s easier to read and way more crisp. High DPI is about edges and lines and details (like text), not colors!
  - chrisseaton 5y ago
    High resolution is particularly useful for people who work on text all day - so hackers. I don't know if you're confusing it with high dynamic range? This isn't about colour.
  - rsynnott 5y ago
    Realistically the main appeal of very high resolution laptop screens is text, not images. The people doing professional colour work typically aren’t using any sort of laptop screen.
- downWidOutaFite 5y ago
  My 16" Macbook Pro's display is certainly beautiful but the battery life is pathetic. If lower resolution really did save battery then I think I would make the tradeoff, especially since everybody runs the resolution scaled down from 3072x1920 so the only thing you gain from it is the subpixel sharpness.
  - downWidOutaFite 5y ago
    Why is this downvoted? Do people think Macbook Pros have good battery life?
ngngngng 5y ago
I have a 4k x1 Carbon and I can confirm that it's dumb. I would prefer the battery life but also the iGPU isn't powerful enough to run an external monitor while the display is using 4k so I have to scale it down for that anyway.
- okasaki 5y ago
  I wonder, can users who want better battery life on their 4k laptop just run the screen in 1920x1080?
- akvadrako 5y ago
  Maybe older generations weren't powerful enough, but I use the 7th gen (2019) to run a 2nd 4K external display and it works fine. 4K is a little overkill for 14", but I wouldn't consider a laptop below 3K. Definitionally not dumb.
  - ngngngng 5y ago
    What OS are you using? I installed PopOS onto mine and maybe something there is the issue. We have the same model and mine is maxed on specs but whenever I'm in 4k and using an external monitor it becomes unbearably slow.
    - akvadrako 5y ago
      I run Ubuntu. Works fine in windows too.
ndiddy 5y ago
My biggest problem is the aspect ratio, on a laptop 16:9 simply is not enough vertical space. Hopefully Clevo will realize this at some point and make a laptop for System76 with a 16:10 or 3:2 screen.
ohazi 5y ago
I have good eyes and strongly prefer wqhd (2560x1440) over 1080p on my 14" Thinkpad, because I can just barely lay out two windows side by side without stupid websites like Gmail and JIRA getting too narrow, using my scale factor of choice. With 1080p, I turn off scaling and it just doesn't work. Full screen is too big, anything less than 2/3 is too narrow. I can easily get 10 hours of battery life with light use, sometimes more (my system idles at around 5W unless I crank up the brightness to excessive levels). 4k (UHD) on a 14" display is excessive, in my opinion. I don't know what the power consumption is like, but at the scaling that I prefer, the layout ends up looking identical to my wqhd setup, only crisper. That would seem like a waste of power. Shame all the recent T-series Thinkpads have gone down this route.
- zwayhowder 5y ago
  This! The wonderful world of reflowing webpages that assumes anything less than 1080p is a mobile is so frustrating. I too find WQHD a good fit for my 14" Thinpad.
speedgoose 5y ago
This laptop is clearly not designed for battery life though. The battery is tiny inside.
3np 5y ago
On a 1080p 14” with native resolution, the ideal terminal font size for me would be about 8px. There’s a significant difference in ergonomics around that range. I have two 14” Thinkpads and my eyes feel strained a lot faster on the 1080p compared to the 1440 if I’d have the same effective font size. The result is I can fit the content I want on the 1440 but not on the 1080p without eye-strain. There’s really no magic way to make fonts as readable with 8px as with 12px.
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MisterTea 5y ago

If you spend a lot of time reading/typing text on a computer, hiDPI helps as the text is a lot sharper. Though honestly I don't care as much and find that 1080 is an acceptable resolution for smaller screens (<= 22").

jagger27 5y ago

It's like no one here has used a MacBook before. They've been putting 2560 by 1600 displays in 13" MacBooks for what, a decade now?

bluedino 5y ago
Mac OS doesn't have all the goofy issues that Linux and Windows do when using hidpi/4k whatever screens.
- sz4kerto 5y ago
  Windows has practically perfect hidpi nowadays. Also on moderately hidpi screens (eg 4K 32"), MacOS is extremely blurry.
as1mov 5y ago
Eh not really, I've used the hidpi MacBooks for work, it doesn't really make a big difference. I can tell the difference between a 1440p/4k and a 1080p screen, but it doesn't bother me to the point where I won't buy machines which don't have it, it's just a nice bonus.

SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago

Very distinguishable after daily use of a MacBook Pro.

LAC-Tech 5y ago
Yeah ok but this is a computer for hackers, not people who decide what shade grey to make text on a website.
- noahtallen 5y ago
  High DPI is great for text. It’s easier to read and way more crisp. High DPI is about edges and lines and details (like text), not colors!
- chrisseaton 5y ago
  High resolution is particularly useful for people who work on text all day - so hackers. I don't know if you're confusing it with high dynamic range? This isn't about colour.
- rsynnott 5y ago
  Realistically the main appeal of very high resolution laptop screens is text, not images. The people doing professional colour work typically aren’t using any sort of laptop screen.
downWidOutaFite 5y ago
My 16" Macbook Pro's display is certainly beautiful but the battery life is pathetic. If lower resolution really did save battery then I think I would make the tradeoff, especially since everybody runs the resolution scaled down from 3072x1920 so the only thing you gain from it is the subpixel sharpness.
- downWidOutaFite 5y ago
  Why is this downvoted? Do people think Macbook Pros have good battery life?

ngngngng 5y ago

I have a 4k x1 Carbon and I can confirm that it's dumb. I would prefer the battery life but also the iGPU isn't powerful enough to run an external monitor while the display is using 4k so I have to scale it down for that anyway.

okasaki 5y ago
I wonder, can users who want better battery life on their 4k laptop just run the screen in 1920x1080?
akvadrako 5y ago
Maybe older generations weren't powerful enough, but I use the 7th gen (2019) to run a 2nd 4K external display and it works fine. 4K is a little overkill for 14", but I wouldn't consider a laptop below 3K. Definitionally not dumb.
- ngngngng 5y ago
  What OS are you using? I installed PopOS onto mine and maybe something there is the issue. We have the same model and mine is maxed on specs but whenever I'm in 4k and using an external monitor it becomes unbearably slow.
  - akvadrako 5y ago
    I run Ubuntu. Works fine in windows too.

ndiddy 5y ago

My biggest problem is the aspect ratio, on a laptop 16:9 simply is not enough vertical space. Hopefully Clevo will realize this at some point and make a laptop for System76 with a 16:10 or 3:2 screen.

ohazi 5y ago

I have good eyes and strongly prefer wqhd (2560x1440) over 1080p on my 14" Thinkpad, because I can just barely lay out two windows side by side without stupid websites like Gmail and JIRA getting too narrow, using my scale factor of choice. With 1080p, I turn off scaling and it just doesn't work. Full screen is too big, anything less than 2/3 is too narrow. I can easily get 10 hours of battery life with light use, sometimes more (my system idles at around 5W unless I crank up the brightness to excessive levels). 4k (UHD) on a 14" display is excessive, in my opinion. I don't know what the power consumption is like, but at the scaling that I prefer, the layout ends up looking identical to my wqhd setup, only crisper. That would seem like a waste of power. Shame all the recent T-series Thinkpads have gone down this route.

zwayhowder 5y ago
This! The wonderful world of reflowing webpages that assumes anything less than 1080p is a mobile is so frustrating. I too find WQHD a good fit for my 14" Thinpad.

speedgoose 5y ago

This laptop is clearly not designed for battery life though. The battery is tiny inside.

3np 5y ago

On a 1080p 14” with native resolution, the ideal terminal font size for me would be about 8px. There’s a significant difference in ergonomics around that range. I have two 14” Thinkpads and my eyes feel strained a lot faster on the 1080p compared to the 1440 if I’d have the same effective font size. The result is I can fit the content I want on the 1440 but not on the 1080p without eye-strain. There’s really no magic way to make fonts as readable with 8px as with 12px.

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