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I disagree. It is almost as if at work talk on work provided media like slack, should be work related. What is next? People complain about mutiny related chat r

I disagree. It is almost as if at work talk on work provided media like slack, should be work related. What is next? People complain about mutiny related chat rooms being banned by the Navy?

_vertigo 5y ago
Not comparable.
saagarjha 5y ago
Discussing salaries is a federally protected activity, unlike mutiny.
bcrosby95 5y ago
Lol. In what society is pay unrelated to work?
kelnos 5y ago
Ok, then perhaps Apple should ban the channel about fun dogs. Looking at my company slack, we have a ton of channels with a "soc-" prefix, which we use to designate a channel that's there for social purposes rather than work. I think my employer would have a mutiny on their hands if tomorrow they decided to shut that down.
sxp 5y ago
How much people are paid clearly matches the scope of “... Apple business and must advance the work, deliverables, or mission of Apple departments and teams,”. Paying people fairly advances the Apple teams.
tehjoker 5y ago
We're not the military. Employers are an exploiting class. Workers must fight for every avenue to organize and overthrow the exploiting class to create a democratic and equitable society. In 1917, the military had soldiers councils, turned against the Tsarist regime and helped overthrow it with the help of armed workers. We're so far from anything like that, we're arguing over whether workers should be able to slack each other lol.
- b9a2cab5 5y ago
  Yes, and a massive purge of millions of people began soon afterwards in the same country...
  - guerrilla 5y ago
    You missed the part in between about the Bolshevik coup leading to the neutering of councils and de facto banning of unions.
tibbetts 5y ago
Not being allowed to mutiny in the navy is related to the whole violence thing. It’s also the case that people in the navy can’t just quit when they want to. I don’t think you want those kind of rules applying to most workplaces. Talking about pay equity is a good thing to be encouraged.
aaomidi 5y ago
If you're seeing organization as "mutiny" then you're going to be able to justify anything the employer does to the employee.
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jdavis703 5y ago
Plotting mutiny is a crime. Angling for pay equity is legal. The equivalent here would be if Apple broke up a #insider-trading Slack channel where people exchanged Apple’s MNPI.
tyingq 5y ago
That's a strange analogy. The military can compel you, by force, to walk into a hail of bullets. It is not a "job". Though everyone's salary is public knowledge :)
ryanbrunner 5y ago
How is discussing pay not work related? It's a very important part of why the employees are working there.
jrockway 5y ago
Pay seems like priority #0 at work. Nobody would be there without being paid to be there.
the_jeremy 5y ago
But it's not always work related. My fiance's work has a slack channel called dev-urandom where people can share, among other things, cute puppy pictures. Before covid, my work had a smash bros channel to summon people to play and post new character releases.

I disagree. It is almost as if at work talk on work provided media like slack, should be work related. What is next? People complain about mutiny related chat rooms being banned by the Navy?

_vertigo 5y ago

Not comparable.

saagarjha 5y ago

Discussing salaries is a federally protected activity, unlike mutiny.

bcrosby95 5y ago

Lol. In what society is pay unrelated to work?

kelnos 5y ago

Ok, then perhaps Apple should ban the channel about fun dogs. Looking at my company slack, we have a ton of channels with a "soc-" prefix, which we use to designate a channel that's there for social purposes rather than work. I think my employer would have a mutiny on their hands if tomorrow they decided to shut that down.

sxp 5y ago

How much people are paid clearly matches the scope of “... Apple business and must advance the work, deliverables, or mission of Apple departments and teams,”. Paying people fairly advances the Apple teams.

tehjoker 5y ago

We're not the military. Employers are an exploiting class. Workers must fight for every avenue to organize and overthrow the exploiting class to create a democratic and equitable society. In 1917, the military had soldiers councils, turned against the Tsarist regime and helped overthrow it with the help of armed workers. We're so far from anything like that, we're arguing over whether workers should be able to slack each other lol.

b9a2cab5 5y ago
Yes, and a massive purge of millions of people began soon afterwards in the same country...
- guerrilla 5y ago
  You missed the part in between about the Bolshevik coup leading to the neutering of councils and de facto banning of unions.

tibbetts 5y ago

Not being allowed to mutiny in the navy is related to the whole violence thing. It’s also the case that people in the navy can’t just quit when they want to. I don’t think you want those kind of rules applying to most workplaces. Talking about pay equity is a good thing to be encouraged.

aaomidi 5y ago

If you're seeing organization as "mutiny" then you're going to be able to justify anything the employer does to the employee.

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jdavis703 5y ago

Plotting mutiny is a crime. Angling for pay equity is legal. The equivalent here would be if Apple broke up a #insider-trading Slack channel where people exchanged Apple’s MNPI.

tyingq 5y ago

That's a strange analogy. The military can compel you, by force, to walk into a hail of bullets. It is not a "job". Though everyone's salary is public knowledge :)

ryanbrunner 5y ago

How is discussing pay not work related? It's a very important part of why the employees are working there.

jrockway 5y ago

Pay seems like priority #0 at work. Nobody would be there without being paid to be there.

the_jeremy 5y ago

But it's not always work related. My fiance's work has a slack channel called dev-urandom where people can share, among other things, cute puppy pictures. Before covid, my work had a smash bros channel to summon people to play and post new character releases.